Tomorrow's Harvest key twin secret

blankleader · Post by **blankleader** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:19 am

Or something. Who knows if they intended to go backward or forward from the middle, if this is the deal? Seems like something sober people should explore with the two options.

armotron · Post by **armotron** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:04 am

idk if this has any merit, but that initial kick of bass in Reach for the Dead fits pretty perfectly after the ending of White Cyclosa...

Saakki · Post by **Saakki** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:13 am

Could justin mix the whole thing with new track order and overlaps and maybe pm a link to this?

Headphase · Post by **Headphase** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:48 am

I'm starting to think maybe the WHOLE album links into each other.

Gemini leads into Collapse
Collapse leads into White Cyclosa

New Seeds leads into Nothing Is Real
Nothing is Real leads into Split Your Infinities
Split Your Infinities links into Transmisiones Ferox
Transmisiones Ferox leads into Sundown
Sundown leads into Telepath
Telepath leads into Uritual

re-phaelam-ed · Post by **re-phaelam-ed** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:25 pm

blankleader wrote:Or something. Who knows if they intended to go backward or forward from the middle, if this is the deal? Seems like something sober people should explore with the two options.

well the middle track defo goes both ways....hidden speech in there too.
but i think it just cuts off as if everything ends. and the second half is a new beginning.
as someone had mentioned the other day. the apocalypse isnt all bad. just for those that are currently around. but for the planet [as we have fucked it up] its a fresh start.

Mcm L Xix · Post by **Mcm L Xix** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:43 pm

armotron wrote:idk if this has any merit, but that initial kick of bass in Reach for the Dead fits pretty perfectly after the ending of White Cyclosa...

On my copy of the live transmission, White Cyclose and Reach for the Dead were swapped. I don't if it was transmitted that way (I couldn't reach the side that evening) or if the person who uploaded it, messed it up, but it sounds better. I might have gotten used to it (I played it about 30 times before I got the official release) but rationalizing that phenomenon out of the way, as far as I am able to, I still think it sounds better in that order.

Indeed Reach for the Dead would then come after White Cyclosa, but even better is how beautiful White Cyclosa sounds after Gemini, which I find has an odd and abrupt, almost anticlimactical end on the official release.

Imho, White Cyclosa after Gemini sounds as good as the Reach for the Dead + Come To Dust combi suggested in this thread (with the 20 sec overlap).

justin · Post by **justin** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:24 pm

Saakki wrote:Could justin mix the whole thing with new track order and overlaps and maybe pm a link to this?

Yeah obviously something has to be worked out .

It's gonna take me a about a day or two between work to do a master compile .
Im just taking it slow right now until the entire track listing fits perfectly into place .

Im sure a pm with a private link can work .

blankleader · Post by **blankleader** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:25 pm

re-phaelam-ed wrote:
blankleader wrote:Or something. Who knows if they intended to go backward or forward from the middle, if this is the deal? Seems like something sober people should explore with the two options.
well the middle track defo goes both ways....hidden speech in there too.
but i think it just cuts off as if everything ends. and the second half is a new beginning.
as someone had mentioned the other day. the apocalypse isnt all bad. just for those that are currently around. but for the planet [as we have fucked it up] its a fresh start.

I was talking more specifically about whether a forward step or backward step from the middle should go first in creating "inside out" track orders which does some neat things with the linearity of the implied story beyond what we have already been doing. I know, probably over-thinking, but it's fun to do.

thepastinsidepressant · Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:37 pm

Mcm L Xix wrote:
armotron wrote:idk if this has any merit, but that initial kick of bass in Reach for the Dead fits pretty perfectly after the ending of White Cyclosa...
On my copy of the live transmission, White Cyclose and Reach for the Dead were swapped. I don't if it was transmitted that way (I couldn't reach the side that evening) or if the person who uploaded it, messed it up, but it sounds better. I might have gotten used to it (I played it about 30 times before I got the official release) but rationalizing that phenomenon out of the way, as far as I am able to, I still think it sounds better in that order.

Indeed Reach for the Dead would then come after White Cyclosa, but even better is how beautiful White Cyclosa sounds after Gemini, which I find has an odd and abrupt, almost anticlimactical end on the official release.

Imho, White Cyclosa after Gemini sounds as good as the Reach for the Dead + Come To Dust combi suggested in this thread (with the 20 sec overlap).

lol that happened to me as well first off, it might had something to do with the upload, tried everything to put WC back in to 3rd place but it kept playing 2nd. you're right though, it does flow better for WC after Gemini, RFTD is like so uplifting too soon after Gemini then back into suspense again with WC.

justin · Post by **justin** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:58 pm

The biggest reveal this experiment has been for me is the fact i don't think this X fade is unique to TH.

1. This is how Boards Of Canada create most of their tracks . Besides being cool it's a unique window into their production process . The proof of which can be found all the way from A few old tunes / BOC Maxima to Seven Forty Seven . Once i'm done TH im going to see if any of the major releases follow the same pattern .

2. Boards Of Canada are the Stanley Kubrick of music . TH Is their Shinning .

3. These X fades would point to workflow structure thats conducive to live performance
I would expect a live show to be suddenly announced next summer with another album .

In closing this has revealed an entirely new way to experience BOC . As artists they have transcended music , Tomorrow's Harvest invokes a message that can only be told through non narrative art . The last time that this was accomplished in my opinion was the film Koyaanisqatsi .

Fanboy or not , anyone who looks at their work with a discerning eye must be in awe of what they have created .

"I told you 'bout strawberry fields
You know the place where nothing is real
Well, here's another place you can go
Where everything flows" - The Beatles .

Mcm L Xix · Post by **Mcm L Xix** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:32 pm

justin wrote:The last time that this was accomplished in my opinion was the film Koyaanisqatsi.

Dude you mentioned the K-word!!!

I only recently joined this forum so I hadn't gotten to it yet, but my first thought when I heard and saw Reach For The Dead was 'Wow man, this has a real Koyaanisqatsi feeling to it!'. Especially the part in the Desert, with the shots of the huge man-made yet alienating constructions.

Koyaanisqatsi's soundtrack has for a long time only been limitedly available on CD: There was the cd with 6 excerpts; many years late two tracks were added to new versions of this cd. It was only a few years ago (afaik) that the entire score became available on cd. So, years ago I taped the VHS and that became my prime source of listening to this music (which, btw, is Philip Glass's, in case someone is not familiar with it), adding what you might call a 70s and/or 80s touch to it!

But also thematically Koyaanisqatsi and TH overlap: Koyaanisqatsi's message is: "we are living inside technonoly, or world has become technology, and our way of life is to consume other life". TH doesn't have such an explicit theme, but certainly hints at pending doom, technological (nuclear?) disaster.

Anyway, I was a bit surprised noone had mentioned this movie sofar, and I guess II was preparing my moment to bring it up... But now you mentioned it

optic · Post by **optic** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:51 pm

Mcm L Xix wrote:
justin wrote:The last time that this was accomplished in my opinion was the film Koyaanisqatsi.
Dude you mentioned the K-word!!!

I only recently joined this forum so I hadn't gotten to it yet, but my first thought when I heard and saw Reach For The Dead was 'Wow man, this has a real Koyaanisqatsi feeling to it!'. Especially the part in the Desert, with the shots of the huge man-made yet alienating constructions.

Koyaanisqatsi's soundtrack has for a long time only been limitedly available on CD: There was the cd with 6 excerpts; many years late two tracks were added to new versions of this cd. It was only a few years ago (afaik) that the entire score became available on cd. So, years ago I taped the VHS and that became my prime source of listening to this music (which, btw, is Philip Glass's, in case someone is not familiar with it), adding what you might call a 70s and/or 80s touch to it!

But also thematically Koyaanisqatsi and TH overlap: Koyaanisqatsi's message is: "we are living inside technonoly, or world has become technology, and our way of life is to consume other life". TH doesn't have such an explicit theme, but certainly hints at pending doom, technological (nuclear?) disaster.

Anyway, I was a bit surprised noone had mentioned this movie sofar, and I guess II was preparing my moment to bring it up... But now you mentioned it

I, too, noticed a strong Koyaanisqatsi influence when I first saw RFTD. It can be seen is the choice of the desert location, the faded, abandoned structures pointing to the folly of human overreach and it's cinematic style. It can also be heard in the music, especially in the bass line of RFTD. The PG influence continues with the appreggiated synth line that is introduced with the main beat.

Interestingly, the actual meaning of the Hopi Koyaanisqatsi is "crazy life," "life out of balance," or "a state of life that calls for a different way of living." This outlook can be applied to TH as well. I really think the similarities are not just homage, but a key indicator of TH's greater message.

Koyaanisqatsi has always been one of my favorite films, and I have introduced everyone who I have a meaningful relationship with to it, most often with mixed results...somewhat like my efforts in introducing those same people to BoC.

It's really blowing my mind that these two major influences in my life are linking together like this...makes me appreciate BoC even more (if that is even possible).

Mcm L Xix · Post by **Mcm L Xix** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:26 pm

optic wrote:Koyaanisqatsi has always been one of my favorite films, and I have introduced everyone who I have a meaningful relationship with to it, most often with mixed results...somewhat like my efforts in introducing those same people to BoC.

It's really blowing my mind that these two major influences in my life are linking together like this...makes me appreciate BoC even more (if that is even possible).

Great reply, thanks dude! (assuming you're a dude, lol).

Yeah Koyaanisqatsi has had a very strong impression on, and lately (before TH's and even before I learned BoC were going to release a new album) I was thinking a lot about it... Probably because I was like 17 or 18 when I first saw it, and was awed by it... And now I'm 43 and on an age to look back at things, and I realize this movie has made a major impression on me, with regards to both its artistical vehicle and its meaning / statement. The way I enjoy music / movies, and how I think about mankind and the planet etc. Of course, this mindset was already there before I saw this movie, but this movie santioned it, fertilized it. You probably know exaclty what I mean.

I was the proud owner of a VHS recorder with a <repeat> function on it, and I had both koyaanisqatsi and Powaqqatsi on one tape, and I frequently put in that tape, on repeat, during the night. So 3 or 4 times a night I was awoken by the rewinding of the VHS tape. Actually that's quite unpleasant, and one could wonder why I would play a video when I was sleeping anyway, but back then it was mystique

I would love to know what the Sandison brothers think of this movie, and whether - and to what degree - it has been an influence on TH.

Btw Optic where you also hugely disappointed by Naqoyqatsi? A second and third look made me relase it wasn't that bad as it seemed, but still...

optic · Post by **optic** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:28 pm

Mcm L Xix wrote:
optic wrote:Koyaanisqatsi has always been one of my favorite films, and I have introduced everyone who I have a meaningful relationship with to it, most often with mixed results...somewhat like my efforts in introducing those same people to BoC.

It's really blowing my mind that these two major influences in my life are linking together like this...makes me appreciate BoC even more (if that is even possible).
Great reply, thanks dude! (assuming you're a dude, lol).

Yeah Koyaanisqatsi has had a very strong impression on, and lately (before TH's and even before I learned BoC were going to release a new album) I was thinking a lot about it... Probably because I was like 17 or 18 when I first saw it, and was awed by it... And now I'm 43 and on an age to look back at things, and I realize this movie has made a major impression on me, with regards to both its artistical vehicle and its meaning / statement.

I would love to know what the Sandison brothers think of this movie, and whether - and to what degree - it has been an influence on TH.

Btw Optic where you also hugely disappointed by Naqoyqatsi? A second and third look made me relase it wasn't that bad as it seemed, but still...

I have refused to see any more of the trilogy so as to not sully my appreciation of Koyaanisqatsi. I wish I had done the same with Star Wars.

Mcm L Xix · Post by **Mcm L Xix** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:35 pm

optic wrote:I have refused to see any more of the trilogy so as to not sully my appreciation of Koyaanisqatsi. I wish I had done the same with Star Wars.

Lol yeah Star Wars. I had tears in my eyes when I finally saw the logo again, in a new movie, in, what was it, 2000? I was there with a friend, early in the morning, after night shift.

The new trilogy has its merits and its flaws. I think in general it has made the Star Wars universe several magnitudes more silly. But I am glad Christopher Lee joined the franchise.

Btw Powaqqatsi is a great movie on its own merits. In comparison I would favor Koyaanisqatsi, but Powaqqatsi has great images and great music - and feels genuine, as opposed to Naqoiqatsi. Poor Godfrey Reggio; he should have had better advisers.

harpoon dodger · Post by **harpoon dodger** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:04 am

I have the Koyaanisqatsi soundtrack on vinyl! Huzzah..love that one. One of my faves to listen to when I wanna unwind.

Yellow Records · Post by **Yellow Records** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:29 am

I'm trying to make an unofficial album of the overlaps...

Reach for the Dead and Come to Dust is aggrivating me so much.

And where the hell did Philip Glass come out of?

optic · Post by **optic** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:31 am

Yellow Records wrote: And where the hell did Philip Glass come out of?

Baltimore?

justin · Post by **justin** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:08 am

optic wrote:
Yellow Records wrote: And where the hell did Philip Glass come out of?
Baltimore?

I was gonna say a womb with a view . But Baltimore works too .

Rikkiebags · Post by **Rikkiebags** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:43 am

justin wrote:
2. Boards Of Canada are the Stanley Kubrick of music . TH Is their Shinning .

Hah.