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llydia wrote:As well as kiss as much as we want, with out scrunity!

WATER_CAN-_- wrote:BOC have stated explicitly that they are atheists

Therefore, the main thrust of your hypothesis is pretty much deflated

The good news is that you're now free to figure out the actual intended meaning should you so choose

I would though advise taking a different approach than before as BOC had heavily cautioned that this type of numerological approach is not likely to yield much in terms of the answers you seek

Evrox wrote:

WATER_CAN-_- wrote:BOC have stated explicitly that they are atheists

Therefore, the main thrust of your hypothesis is pretty much deflated

The good news is that you're now free to figure out the actual intended meaning should you so choose

I would though advise taking a different approach than before as BOC had heavily cautioned that this type of numerological approach is not likely to yield much in terms of the answers you seek

I’d like to know when they explicitly stated they are atheists, because I don’t think they ever did.
They’ve said that they are not religious, but that isn’t the same as being atheist. Atheism specifically means not believing in the existence of God or any gods. Someone can be non-religious and still believe in a higher power, some form of spirituality, or simply leave the question open.
People’s views can also change over time. Without a direct statement from them in recent years, I don’t think we can confidently claim what their personal beliefs are now.

See below:

Time to puncture a few myths about Boards Of Canada. "The kind of thing that gets up my nose is when people describe us as 'approaching New Age' or soemthing like that," moans Sandison. "To me that's completly missing the point. If we do something that remotely sounds a bit like that, it's because we're actually doing it deliberately, we're doing almost as a pisstake." Google Boards Of Canada and you'll soon find fans with plenty of time on their hands, identifying all manner of psychedelic Easter eggs in the music: reversed samples and tapes, aural palindromes (sentences like "I've been gone about a week" that sound like the same when played forwards or in reverse) buried phrases that hint at paganism ("You Could eel The Sky" contains the words "a god with hooves"). Titles like "Music Is Math", "A Is To B As B Is To C", and "The Smallest Weird Number" (the number 70, which they adopted for the name of their own label/production company, Music70) imply numerological sorcery; musical structures arranged, tuned and sequenced at root level according to mathematical equations such as the Fibonacci sequence and Golden Ratio. Someone's even found that the toal playing time of Geogaddi is 66:06, and it's total hard drive space when ripped to MP3 is 666 megabytes, etc. All of which leads to speculation that they are involved in in some kind of cultish activity - a belief that gathered pace with the release of their 2000 EP In A Beautiful Place Out In The Country, which contained overt references to David Koresh's Branch Davidian community and its annihilation by the US military in 1993 during the Waco siege. "Not in the slightest," counters Sandison when I ask him for a definitive answer on their 'cult' status. "We're just purely coming at what we do from the angle at being interested in subjects. You get a lot of painters or film directors who are complete atheists who'll make films all about religion, or Christianity, not because they're obsessed with the subjects or they're actually evangelists, but just purely because it's something they're interested in for that project. It's exactly the same with us - we'll hit on some of these things, but at the end of the day we're just totally ordinary people that just happen to be making music." And why the particular focus on Waco? "We take a great interest in the spectrum of everything, religions and cults, anything connected to that," says Eoin. Because they are a break from the norm. So when you see something like that, a group of people doing their own thing, going away and living together like that... it's the fascination with that, and a sense of injustice..." "And the outrage at what happened," interjects Sandison. "I'm not a religious person," Eoin continues, "but what I felt seeing what happened there was asense of outrage - they're devoutly religious people, but what happened to them - were they just singled out because of this, and attacked? The victor always writes history, and the only history we know of David Koresh and those people is what's been written about by reference to things like what the FBI were investigating afterwards." "Which was why," Sandison swings back to the record in hand, "we thought we'd make a record that on the surface feels really sweet and very spacious and it'll be titled In A Beautiful Place Out In The Country, but what were these people doing in a beautiful place out in the country? They were getting shot and burned.. [Laughs] It's a typical thing that we would do..." Eoin: "Even when you go away and have that existence, something still chases you there, still follows you home. And that's the impression I get off that story." With every retreat form the world comes the need to protect and survive.

https://bocpages.org/wiki/Protect_and_S ... (interview)

A tacit acknowledgment from 2013:

In the context of history, we live in an age of unparalleled science and rationality. But despite this, religion and ideas of mysticism – along with other fringe concerns such as conspiracy, etc – continue to thrive. I gather that you're rationalists, atheists, etc – but the idea of the mystic obviously has an appeal to you ...

"Eoin: "There's a lot to play with there, for an artist. It affects people even if they don't consider themselves to be religious. Nobody really wants to accept that we're just a colony of organisms hurtling through a void on a ball of rock. I'd guess that's it, that the most rational individual doesn't really want to have his beliefs completely confirmed. It's in human nature to pursue spiritual or fantastic things, for whatever reason, that's why we like art and escapism, isn't it? Humans like to feel there's a purpose, even if there isn't one!""

https://bocpages.org/wiki/We%27ve_Becom ... _the_Years

WATER_CAN-_- wrote:

Evrox wrote:

WATER_CAN-_- wrote:BOC have stated explicitly that they are atheists

Therefore, the main thrust of your hypothesis is pretty much deflated

The good news is that you're now free to figure out the actual intended meaning should you so choose

I would though advise taking a different approach than before as BOC had heavily cautioned that this type of numerological approach is not likely to yield much in terms of the answers you seek

I’d like to know when they explicitly stated they are atheists, because I don’t think they ever did.
They’ve said that they are not religious, but that isn’t the same as being atheist. Atheism specifically means not believing in the existence of God or any gods. Someone can be non-religious and still believe in a higher power, some form of spirituality, or simply leave the question open.
People’s views can also change over time. Without a direct statement from them in recent years, I don’t think we can confidently claim what their personal beliefs are now.

See below:

Time to puncture a few myths about Boards Of Canada. "The kind of thing that gets up my nose is when people describe us as 'approaching New Age' or soemthing like that," moans Sandison. "To me that's completly missing the point. If we do something that remotely sounds a bit like that, it's because we're actually doing it deliberately, we're doing almost as a pisstake." Google Boards Of Canada and you'll soon find fans with plenty of time on their hands, identifying all manner of psychedelic Easter eggs in the music: reversed samples and tapes, aural palindromes (sentences like "I've been gone about a week" that sound like the same when played forwards or in reverse) buried phrases that hint at paganism ("You Could eel The Sky" contains the words "a god with hooves"). Titles like "Music Is Math", "A Is To B As B Is To C", and "The Smallest Weird Number" (the number 70, which they adopted for the name of their own label/production company, Music70) imply numerological sorcery; musical structures arranged, tuned and sequenced at root level according to mathematical equations such as the Fibonacci sequence and Golden Ratio. Someone's even found that the toal playing time of Geogaddi is 66:06, and it's total hard drive space when ripped to MP3 is 666 megabytes, etc. All of which leads to speculation that they are involved in in some kind of cultish activity - a belief that gathered pace with the release of their 2000 EP In A Beautiful Place Out In The Country, which contained overt references to David Koresh's Branch Davidian community and its annihilation by the US military in 1993 during the Waco siege. "Not in the slightest," counters Sandison when I ask him for a definitive answer on their 'cult' status. "We're just purely coming at what we do from the angle at being interested in subjects. You get a lot of painters or film directors who are complete atheists who'll make films all about religion, or Christianity, not because they're obsessed with the subjects or they're actually evangelists, but just purely because it's something they're interested in for that project. It's exactly the same with us - we'll hit on some of these things, but at the end of the day we're just totally ordinary people that just happen to be making music." And why the particular focus on Waco? "We take a great interest in the spectrum of everything, religions and cults, anything connected to that," says Eoin. Because they are a break from the norm. So when you see something like that, a group of people doing their own thing, going away and living together like that... it's the fascination with that, and a sense of injustice..." "And the outrage at what happened," interjects Sandison. "I'm not a religious person," Eoin continues, "but what I felt seeing what happened there was asense of outrage - they're devoutly religious people, but what happened to them - were they just singled out because of this, and attacked? The victor always writes history, and the only history we know of David Koresh and those people is what's been written about by reference to things like what the FBI were investigating afterwards." "Which was why," Sandison swings back to the record in hand, "we thought we'd make a record that on the surface feels really sweet and very spacious and it'll be titled In A Beautiful Place Out In The Country, but what were these people doing in a beautiful place out in the country? They were getting shot and burned.. [Laughs] It's a typical thing that we would do..." Eoin: "Even when you go away and have that existence, something still chases you there, still follows you home. And that's the impression I get off that story." With every retreat form the world comes the need to protect and survive.

https://bocpages.org/wiki/Protect_and_S ... (interview)

A tacit acknowledgment from 2013:

In the context of history, we live in an age of unparalleled science and rationality. But despite this, religion and ideas of mysticism – along with other fringe concerns such as conspiracy, etc – continue to thrive. I gather that you're rationalists, atheists, etc – but the idea of the mystic obviously has an appeal to you ...

"Eoin: "There's a lot to play with there, for an artist. It affects people even if they don't consider themselves to be religious. Nobody really wants to accept that we're just a colony of organisms hurtling through a void on a ball of rock. I'd guess that's it, that the most rational individual doesn't really want to have his beliefs completely confirmed. It's in human nature to pursue spiritual or fantastic things, for whatever reason, that's why we like art and escapism, isn't it? Humans like to feel there's a purpose, even if there isn't one!""

https://bocpages.org/wiki/We%27ve_Becom ... _the_Years

You get a lot of painters or film directors who are complete atheists who'll make films all about religion, or Christianity, not because they're obsessed with the subjects or they're actually evangelists, but just purely because it's something they're interested in for that project. It's exactly the same with us

Interviewer: "Looking back, your previous work Geogaddi had themes that evoked summer, fire, and a sense of religious ritual. What were you seeking at that time?"


Marcus: "With Geogaddi we aimed to bring together themes of music, mathematics, and patterns in nature. Both of us believe that people should take responsibility for themselves. We wanted to show that one can celebrate life, art, and the world without necessarily attributing everything to 'God's work.' Christian art often portrays great works as creations of a higher power rather than the humans who made them. By focusing on the patterns and mathematical principles that govern the universe, Geogaddi suggests that people can celebrate freely without needing religion."

https://bocpages.org/wiki/Music_of_Struggle

What's the significance of hexagons to you?

Marcus: The hexagon theme represents that whole idea of being able to see reality for what it is, the raw maths or patterns that make everything. We've always been interested in science and maths. Sometimes music or art or drugs can pull back the curtain for you and reveal the Wizard of Oz, so to speak, busy pushing the levers and pressing buttons. That's what maths is, the wizard. It sounds like nonsense but I'm sure a lot of people know what I'm talking about.

https://bocpages.org/wiki/The_Secret_Li ... _of_Canada

WATER_CAN-_- wrote:

You get a lot of painters or film directors who are complete atheists who'll make films all about religion, or Christianity, not because they're obsessed with the subjects or they're actually evangelists, but just purely because it's something they're interested in for that project. It's exactly the same with us

he used the word "exactly", that's very unambiguous
and it pretty much exactly describes Inferno

Interviewer: "Looking back, your previous work Geogaddi had themes that evoked summer, fire, and a sense of religious ritual. What were you seeking at that time?"


Marcus: "With Geogaddi we aimed to bring together themes of music, mathematics, and patterns in nature. Both of us believe that people should take responsibility for themselves. We wanted to show that one can celebrate life, art, and the world without necessarily attributing everything to 'God's work.' Christian art often portrays great works as creations of a higher power rather than the humans who made them. By focusing on the patterns and mathematical principles that govern the universe, Geogaddi suggests that people can celebrate freely without needing religion."

https://bocpages.org/wiki/Music_of_Struggle

What's the significance of hexagons to you?

Marcus: The hexagon theme represents that whole idea of being able to see reality for what it is, the raw maths or patterns that make everything. We've always been interested in science and maths. Sometimes music or art or drugs can pull back the curtain for you and reveal the Wizard of Oz, so to speak, busy pushing the levers and pressing buttons. That's what maths is, the wizard. It sounds like nonsense but I'm sure a lot of people know what I'm talking about.

https://bocpages.org/wiki/The_Secret_Li ... _of_Canada

They attribute maths and patters that govern the universe to nature, not a supernatural being (god). All their interviews point to them being atheists. And until they say something to the contrary, that is the null hypothesis.

HighLowView wrote:(This short message is to tell you, Llydia, Watercan, and Cupz, that I forgive you in my heart. Even if you don't care, it's important for me to tell you.

I'm sorry I wasn't able to properly share this vision of the world that I find wonderful and life-saving.

This thread contains most of what I think I've understood, but I have no authority and I don't know anything, so there's no point in me continuing to exhaust myself swimming against the current.

All the best to everyone, and perhaps we'll meet again, if events confirm my theories. And if that doesn't happen, then I'm truly sorry for wasting your time and misleading you. Take care, my brothers and sisters!)

♄ope keeper wrote:Someone like David Tibet/Current 93 has been tracing the pagan roots of folk music for years. Taking influences on a spiritual rather than a musical level, is that an angle you can relate to?

Mike: "We are interested in pagan roots. We're very much into older cultures and lifestyles. People forget just how transitory this period of time in the modern world is. It's important to be able to consider other approaches to society and life than what's around you. Take a look at Julian Cope for example, he uses these influences to fuel his music in a wonderful unique way. It can influence your work in other ways too, not necessarily just in the sound of the music."

What does the hexagram symbolize for you? (Depending on your beliefs it is: a powerful tool to invoke Satan, a stand-by for magicians, witches and alchemists, and a pagan symbol of sexual union and reproduction, esp. of the sexually oriented rites and ceremonies of Baalism).

Mike: "It's just a pattern. It captures some people's imaginations."

Are you putting a hex/curse on us?

Marcus: "Heh, only if you want it to happen."

My guess: it's about a deeply-rooted believe in Mother Earth, as displayed in the ancient traditions of paganism.

Mike: "You could say that. We're not Satanists, or Christians, or pagans. We're not religious at all. We just put symbols into our music sometimes, depending on what we're interested in at the time. We do care about people and the state of the world, and if we're spiritual at all it's purely in the sense of caring about art and inspiring people with ideas."

Interviewer: "Is this work, even partially, a requiem for something lost? If so, what is it a requiem for?"

Mike: "Yeah, partially. This is like the soundtrack of a certain person's experience, but that experience has become something from a distant past, both temporally and spatially. To me, it serves as a tribute to a mostly vanished culture. It's a lament for the positive and free-thinking creative culture of North America in the 60s and 70s. It even echoes back a century to the loss of Native American culture."
https://bocpages.org/wiki/Music_of_Struggle

Interviewer: "Do you sympathize with the idea held by many ancient cultures, like the Celts and Native Americans, that nature belongs to no one"?

Marcus: "Yes. This nature and environment have existed longer than you, me, any government, country, or generation. It should continue to exist, but that requires us to treat it with respect."
https://bocpages.org/wiki/We%27re_makin ... e_and_time