Nastiness in the British Establishment

Mexicola · Post by **Mexicola** » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:33 am

Fancy a peerage? Got a spare £300,000 kicking about? Not so much nastiness as just good old-fashioned cronyism.

Techboy · Post by **Techboy** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:41 pm

fuck the british establishment.

fujee · Post by **fujee** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:03 pm

So the Tories don't seem to like Human Rights...

Mexicola · Post by **Mexicola** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:59 pm

...or the poor, the infirm, foreigners, most people outside the South-East of England, many people INSIDE the South-East of England....

Aerial Boundaries · Post by **Aerial Boundaries** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:57 am

Mexicola wrote:...or the poor, the infirm, foreigners, most people outside the South-East of England, many people INSIDE the South-East of England....

They don't seem to like anyone, especially not each other. Ever seen The Thick of It? (Though that was written about New Labour, I think it pretty much universally applies these days.)

fujee · Post by **fujee** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:49 pm

Fucking grim..

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... white-ball

Cupz · Post by **Cupz** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:54 pm

Negamuse · Post by **Negamuse** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:20 pm

Time was they'd at least publicly pretend not to be vampires

Mexicola · Post by **Mexicola** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:20 pm

MrMessiah wrote:Time was they'd at least publicly pretend not to be vampires

Most don't care about anymore. Not as long as they've got Great British Bake Off on the telly and Domino's on the speed dial.

Those of us who do give a shit, are generally too weary, disillusioned and disorganised to do anything about it.

Sad isn't it? No, scary is more accurate.

fujee · Post by **fujee** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:01 pm

The problem is most organised radical left movements lose sight of what they set out to do in the first place, so we never get the chance to assemble anything remotely organised and genuinely threatening to the conventional power structure, and the 'spectacle' (as Guy Debord claims) of global consumer capitalism prevails. What we are dealing with now is a particularly potent form of capitalism which will only serve to create huge disparity between society. We are regressing politically as a country, though when you look at it, we have rarely got it right in the first place. Depressing.

Its this flip between being so angry and so weary that you feel better of sticking your head in the sand, but that is probably the most dangerous thing anyone can do right now.

jcnporter · Post by **jcnporter** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:40 pm

Unfortunately the neo-liberals (consisting of the right and the 'established' new labour liberal left) have the established money, the new money, the media, the power hungry sociopaths, consumerism, advertising, marketing, managerialism and multi-national corporations all on their side.
The left have ordinary people, some of whom are well intentioned old-style lefties but unfortunately still fighting the battles of decades ago and clinging wistfully to the idea of old Labour, state socialism and the post-war welfare state, and most of the rest of whom have been mollified by consumerism and the bread and circuses of Big Brother etc.
Without a modernist, genuinely radical and progressive party to rally behind, the left, or indeed anyone who believes in responsibility, community and that government and the economy should work for ordinary people, are dead in the water.

Techboy · Post by **Techboy** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:21 pm

Have any of you looked into the green party? I did as part of the referendum thing, and they have some great radical leftie ideas, and it really isnt the hippie shite I was honestly expecting. It's great. I'll be voting green basically from now on.

Mexicola · Post by **Mexicola** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:37 pm

Techboy wrote:Have any of you looked into the green party? I did as part of the referendum thing, and they have some great radical leftie ideas, and it really isnt the hippie shite I was honestly expecting. It's great. I'll be voting green basically from now on.

Voted Green (first time) at the last Euro election. Sadly, UKIP still got in around here.
That says it all really, doesn't it?

Techboy · Post by **Techboy** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:43 pm

well... aye, it does, but in fairness its not like many people realise the greens offer what they do. meanwhile UKIP, essentially a fringe party, get put on telly by the BBC... it's quite clear what they think.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/omitting-green ... en-1469729

its not worth saying "fuck it, wasted vote" and voting for labour or whatever cause you'll get fucked in return.

Mexicola · Post by **Mexicola** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:35 am

Probably not the right thread, but there's a decent article on the rise of the Green Party this morning. Seriously considering voting for them in the next election. Labour have no chance around here. My only concern is the Tories getting in where I live (we're a key marginal) but as I voted LibDem last time, and they won, and then sold us out to the Tories anyway, AND they voted in UKIP in the Euros here too.....what have I got to lose?

Incidentally, if like me you feel it's a disgrace that UKIP are to be included in the upcoming Election debates on TV, yet the Greens aren't - when they've had an elected MP far longer than UKIP, who I think I'm right in saying was elected in the General Election rather than just in a dodgy by-election, here's a petition which is currently getting very close to hitting it's target. Please sign.

Negamuse · Post by **Negamuse** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:33 pm

The Greens are one of the more viable left wing parties in all honesty, their policy lineup is pretty good and they're one of the only parties that isn't pushing the same neoliberal economics as the main parties. They only have a couple of things that bother me, their stance on nuclear and GMO, but no party gets everything 100% right and we need to do something to address the environment and the inequality in the country. Like, yesterday. Plus they have a democratic way of getting policies from their members: members can vote on what gets to be policy, which is pretty rare.

louise · Post by **louise** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:00 pm

Mexicola wrote:Probably not the right thread, but there's a decent article on the rise of the Green Party this morning. Seriously considering voting for them in the next election. Labour have no chance around here. My only concern is the Tories getting in where I live (we're a key marginal) but as I voted LibDem last time, and they won, and then sold us out to the Tories anyway, AND they voted in UKIP in the Euros here too.....what have I got to lose?

Incidentally, if like me you feel it's a disgrace that UKIP are to be included in the upcoming Election debates on TV, yet the Greens aren't - when they've had an elected MP far longer than UKIP, who I think I'm right in saying was elected in the General Election rather than just in a dodgy by-election, here's a petition which is currently getting very close to hitting it's target. Please sign.

thanks for the link! signed

Mexicola · Post by **Mexicola** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:50 pm

Good call Louise!

louise · Post by **louise** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:16 pm

Mexicola wrote:Good call Louise!

i was due one i think :p

Mexicola · Post by **Mexicola** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:30 pm

If this is true, words fail me...

Just awful.