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Skytree wrote:

TrippyTrinity wrote:If this is true, i think it's such a bullshit excuse.

I don't need or expect such perfection.

Why make 200 tracks and pare it down? This seems more like OCD than being a musician. It also sounds like record label garbage to keep fans on their toes. I heard the same thing with Axl Rose and 14 years later got a crap album becasue it toook sooooo long!!!

Sometimes artists need deadlines.

What would Kubrick's output have been like if he was constantly fussing about deadlines? We only have a handful of his films, but he was proud of all of them, and each is brilliant in its own regard (even Eyes Wide Shut, IMO). He's a legend as a result.

Creative genius takes its own time. That's simply the way of it.

Your argument is a bad one. Films are a collaborative effort. Writers, directors, and actors are all apart of the effort. But with that said, no studio ever gave Kubrick unlimited funds so that he could be on set for 5 years to make a film.

TrippyTrinity wrote:

oscillik wrote:

TrippyTrinity wrote: It's precisely that reason why i said that. Only fan boys would agree with such silly statements!!! Sorry, time does not make things better. Good is good. And that could be on the first take. There is such a thing as ovethinking!! trust me -- i've seen it with my own eyes.

i really hope you're not inferring that i am a fanboy? i am a musician myself, hence why i made that statement. and if you look through some of my previous posts, i too have mentioned about the sometimes "over-the-top" fanboy-ish things that some people do where BoC is concerned.

I'm implying nothing. I'm going straight at your statement that If I was a musician I would understand. What is there to understand? Have you ever been in a studio and watched bands fret over EQ mixes? Some of the greatest music recorded on this planet earth was done in 12 hours or a day or 3 weeks because there was some sort deadline, be it financial or otherwise. Only a fanboy would think making 3-4-5 albums and widdling it down to one is an appropriate path to take. How would you or I or anyone know what "perfect" is if you have nothing to compare it to? Have you ever watched a movie and known that it was the 1st or 10th or 20th take of a scene? And how would you know which take was best? Also, you can't please everyone, so whatever take you have on a song might please one side and not the other. Conversely, you can do the opposite of what you have and please an entirely different side of your audience.

actually, you are inferring that i am a fanboy. read your comment in context and that's what you're saying.

you're the second troll i've had to deal with today (the first being on a linux mailing list) and i've had enough of arguing logic with people who are ill equipped to fight back.

all i have left to say is that it is blatantly obvious you have very limited knowledge of being a musician or what's involved in the recording process, since there's no such thing as an "EQ Mix"

I don't think hes a troll...just someone that makes bad arguments. (I've made many in my days)

Lets go freud on him shall we?

TrippyTrinity wrote: trust me -- i've seen it with my own eyes.

This implies his parents must have been musicians that went crazy. They where working on an new composition when they where stuck on a C#. They tried it out in different velocities and octave for 3 weeks untill they died of starvation.
Now he has sworn revenge on over-production.

This is what his parents latest song "Everything you do is a C#" sounded like.

Everything you do is a C#

teh drugz are good for you cupz.

Calm down girls.

Let's respect them for what they are and how they choose to produce.


Great interview. Thanks for posting.

oscillik wrote:

TrippyTrinity wrote:

oscillik wrote: i really hope you're not inferring that i am a fanboy? i am a musician myself, hence why i made that statement. and if you look through some of my previous posts, i too have mentioned about the sometimes "over-the-top" fanboy-ish things that some people do where BoC is concerned.

I'm implying nothing. I'm going straight at your statement that If I was a musician I would understand. What is there to understand? Have you ever been in a studio and watched bands fret over EQ mixes? Some of the greatest music recorded on this planet earth was done in 12 hours or a day or 3 weeks because there was some sort deadline, be it financial or otherwise. Only a fanboy would think making 3-4-5 albums and widdling it down to one is an appropriate path to take. How would you or I or anyone know what "perfect" is if you have nothing to compare it to? Have you ever watched a movie and known that it was the 1st or 10th or 20th take of a scene? And how would you know which take was best? Also, you can't please everyone, so whatever take you have on a song might please one side and not the other. Conversely, you can do the opposite of what you have and please an entirely different side of your audience.

actually, you are inferring that i am a fanboy. read your comment in context and that's what you're saying.

you're the second troll i've had to deal with today (the first being on a linux mailing list) and i've had enough of arguing logic with people who are ill equipped to fight back.

all i have left to say is that it is blatantly obvious you have very limited knowledge of being a musician or what's involved in the recording process, since there's no such thing as an "EQ Mix"

Stupid is as stupid does. I guess I have to talk in bullet point fashion so you'll understand.

1. I'm not a troll, and you didn't have to deal with anything. I made a point to which you made a statement that you still haven't defended.

2. I could give a flying F*@K if you are or are not a fan boy, or a musician for that matter. I was debating the fanboy logic -- NOT you. I laid a perfect argument to which you conveniently disregarded by bringing up an irrelevant point to make yourself -- I guess -- feel smart.

3. I'll say this again: Only a fanboy would think making 3-4-5 albums and widdling it down to one is an appropriate path to take. How would you or I or anyone know what "perfect" is if you have nothing to compare it to? Have you ever watched a movie and known that it was the 1st or 10th or 20th take of a scene? And how would you know which take was best? Also, you can't please everyone, so whatever take you have on a song might please one side and not the other. Conversely, you can do the opposite of what you have and please an entirely different side of your audience.

4. Maybe you are ill equipped to make your own argument becasue you haven't made one yet. You've danced around the issue like a politician. So, please, tell me why time is a relevent issue to making something good?

sometimes i just think that everyone should shut the fuck up and listen to some other music until something comes out, if any does...

there's a lot of beautiful music out there..

Somebody make it stop. Please...