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A_Northern_Soul wrote:

Mexicola wrote: 2) Peter Mandleson now has no power at all. He can crawl back under his rock and mumble darkly to himself about building his Death Star (his preciousssssssssses). I swear the day after they drop the bomb, life will start again with bees, cockroaches and Peter fucking Mandleson.

I cant help having a sneaking admiratation fror Mandleson. He's a greasy bastard, but he's the kind of greasy bastard you'd want on your side.

Same with Alastair Campbell:


As for the result, a total shambles. Clegg has outed himself as a closet Tory, while selling his party's principles down the river. We've got another cabal of old Etonians at #10 and the 3rd place party who only 20% of people voted for now have seats in cabinet.

Im with you when it comes to Campbell. I really like the way he conducts himself in a world of poshness. Proper Yorkshireman!

I hate how we all think we understand politics when a general election comes around, myself included. Give them the benefit of the doubt. Regardless of the circumstances, it's great to see Vince Cable and Nick Clegg in a genuine position to make some kind of difference. I voted Lib Dem but I don't feel like I've been sold out at all.

The Friendly Stranger wrote:I hate how we all think we understand politics when a general election comes around, myself included. Give them the benefit of the doubt. Regardless of the circumstances, it's great to see Vince Cable and Nick Clegg in a genuine position to make some kind of difference. I voted Lib Dem but I don't feel like I've been sold out at all.

I sincerely hope they prove us all wrong.
It's just that they won't.

I keep hearing Johnny Rotten in my head snarling "Ever feel you've been cheated?!?"

The Friendly Stranger wrote:I don't feel like I've been sold out at all.

Just wait.

They even had a great chance to appoint Vince Cable as Chancellor - that would have been good, he's a well respected economist who predicted the financial meltdown. But that didn't happen. Ken Clarke? One of the few Tories with a sensible attitude to Europe and who was really influential during the last recession. No. George Osbourne.

Jesus.

A_Northern_Soul wrote:

The Friendly Stranger wrote:I don't feel like I've been sold out at all.

Just wait.

They even had a great chance to appoint Vince Cable as Chancellor - that would have been good, he's a well respected economist who predicted the financial meltdown. But that didn't happen. Ken Clarke? One of the few Tories with a sensible attitude to Europe and who was really influential during the last recession. No. George Osbourne.

Satan .

Fixed

Here's my quick video 2 cents on David Cameron getting in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpVZTJkZWYw

A_Northern_Soul wrote:

The Friendly Stranger wrote:I don't feel like I've been sold out at all.

Just wait.

They even had a great chance to appoint Vince Cable as Chancellor - that would have been good, he's a well respected economist who predicted the financial meltdown. But that didn't happen. Ken Clarke? One of the few Tories with a sensible attitude to Europe and who was really influential during the last recession. No. George Osbourne.

Jesus.

While I agree that Vince Cable is the best option as Chancellor, I don't think it's right that an MP from a party who hold only around one sixth of seats in parliament should hold the second most powerful position in the country. It would make a mockery of the election. Stop being so bitter and be more realistic.

The Friendly Stranger wrote:

A_Northern_Soul wrote:

The Friendly Stranger wrote:I don't feel like I've been sold out at all.

Just wait.

They even had a great chance to appoint Vince Cable as Chancellor - that would have been good, he's a well respected economist who predicted the financial meltdown. But that didn't happen. Ken Clarke? One of the few Tories with a sensible attitude to Europe and who was really influential during the last recession. No. George Osbourne.

Jesus.

While I agree that Vince Cable is the best option as Chancellor, I don't think it's right that an MP from a party who hold only around one sixth of seats in parliament should hold the second most powerful position in the country. It would make a mockery of the election. Stop being so bitter and be more realistic.

Lib Dems secured 23% of the votes, against 29% for Labour and 36% for the Tories. Seats are one thing, votes are another. Not quite so unrealistic maybe?

The Friendly Stranger wrote: I don't think it's right that an MP from a party who hold only around one sixth of seats in parliament should hold the second most powerful position in the country. It would make a mockery of the election. Stop being so bitter and be more realistic.

What, like deputy PM? While not a really powerful role in itself, it does mean that when Cameron isn't around (paternity leave?), Nick Clegg will be our PM.

I'm not being bitter. While I'll admit that I don't like the result as a Labour supporter, I don't believe that the current coallition is going to work out in the long term. We're going to get a Tory government, with all the problems that traditionally brings to large sections of society, with a few watered down Lib Dem policies thrown in to sweeten the pill. I think that a lot of Lib Dem voters will be feeling like their party has let them down by jumping into bed with the Tories.

Was the alternative "rainbow alliance" going to be any better, or any more viable long-term? I don't know, possibly not. But I don't think people should be fooled by all this talk of "new politics" just because our Tory PM has 5 nice fluffy LDs in a cabinet of 24. A look at the other 19 members of that cabinet reveals some very unwelcome faces returning.

Mexicola wrote:

The Friendly Stranger wrote:

A_Northern_Soul wrote: Just wait.

They even had a great chance to appoint Vince Cable as Chancellor - that would have been good, he's a well respected economist who predicted the financial meltdown. But that didn't happen. Ken Clarke? One of the few Tories with a sensible attitude to Europe and who was really influential during the last recession. No. George Osbourne.

Jesus.

While I agree that Vince Cable is the best option as Chancellor, I don't think it's right that an MP from a party who hold only around one sixth of seats in parliament should hold the second most powerful position in the country. It would make a mockery of the election. Stop being so bitter and be more realistic.

Lib Dems secured 23% of the votes, against 29% for Labour and 36% for the Tories. Seats are one thing, votes are another. Not quite so unrealistic maybe?

In the 2005 election, parliamentary mps represented 25% of the total votes cast. 3/4 of the country didn't vote for the winning candidate in their constituency, so their vote was meaningless.

first past the post is rubbish.

incidentally the additional vote system the tories are proposing is, if anything, more homogeneous. essentially it boils down to a choice between the mathematical favourites to win.

our electoral system is a stitch up.

^^^ Agree 100%.

That said though, they're expecting the coalition to fall through and a bi-election to happen within months even...

Six months to go until the next election UK Twoismers.

'Green support: More than one-quarter of voters would back party - if they thought it had chance of success'

Just saying..

Ill vote for them just to not vote for ukip, they are genuinely under my skin at this point

Ill vote for them just to not vote for ukip, they are genuinely under my skin at this point

Personal political panic prevented. (Alliteration much?!?)

Checked the candidates running in my local constituency in 2015:

• - Lib Dem (current MP holds one of the smallest majorities in the country)
  - Tory
  - UKIP

So Hobson's Choice then! No Labour (they only polled 6% here at the last general election)?!?
No Green's.

One email to my local Green Party campaign co-ordinator later and turns out they've recently decided to run in all five of our local constituencies after all. Huzzah!

Green all the way.

Though speeches like this make me miss the Labour of old. Skinner is such a geeza

I watch so much 8 out of 10 Cats and Mock the Week that I know more about UK politics than Australian politics.

Mexicola wrote:Personal political panic prevented. (Alliteration much?!?)

Checked the candidates running in my local constituency in 2015:

• - Lib Dem (current MP holds one of the smallest majorities in the country)
  - Tory
  - UKIP

So Hobson's Choice then! No Labour (they only polled 6% here at the last general election)?!?
No Green's.

One email to my local Green Party campaign co-ordinator later and turns out they've recently decided to run in all five of our local constituencies after all. Huzzah!

I'm a member of the greens but intend to vote SNP tactically. it will amuse evreyone greatly if SNP does better than lib dem overall. check this out:

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

altho voting for greens in holyrood OBVIOUSLY.

Fully paid member of the Greens. Will likely vote for them as whilst a tactical vote isn't impossible, given that half the stuff that I care about (dismantling of NHS, cuts on benefits) has been part the fault of Labour as well I just can't bring myself to vote for a party pretending to be on the side of the working class. I'm more bothered about UKIP's results than Tories as even though I think it will die down for them very soon, I just want the bubble to burst as soon as possible.