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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:17 pm
by Douay-Rheims
from watmm
Posted Today, 03:02 PM
I suspect the repeated digit is a carrier that indicates the following digit is the message's place in the sequence. The code, then is only the first three digits
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:17 pm
by herxagernsurn
cfish wrote:Ok....since we haven't received any new clues since the 23rd, I'm going to share my thoughts on this thing. Hopefully it's not just incredibly wild speculation...but I'd like to see what others outside IRC think...they haven't been too receptive, but I have a feeling that will change as the length of time since the last broadcasted clue grows.
The theory:
First, the NPR clue. It broke the pattern of the clues being announced with the --/--/XX/--/--/-- track names. Why? I think it was deliberate. If it wasn't, NPR likely would have tweeted the track name, or updated the All Songs Considered site with it at some point over the last two days.
Regarding that, I think cydoniac (from the 2020k page and IRC) is correct in assuming that the NPR sequence was backwards and actually fits in the fifth slot like this:
------/------/717228/936557/247996/519225
I believe broadcasting it backwards and without a track name was intended to make us start speculating and discover the pattern...the descending digit in the ones place (8,7,6,5), and the repeating digits in the hundreds and tens places.
So, if that's the case, we can infer the following about the missing pieces...
-The first set ends in 0 or 10, and the second ends in 9
-With the repeating digits, the first set ends in either 110 (or XX0, if it's just 0,9,8,7,6,5), and the second in XX9 (X = repeating digits)
So that gives us: ---XX0/---XX9/717228/936557/247996/519225
Without the repeating digits, that leaves over 99 billion possibilities (99999 squared)
BUT, if we assume the XXs could be 11,22,33,44,55,66,77,88,99, or 00, that narrows the field considerably. There's also the (very distinct) possibility that there's some other pattern I'm missing about the first three digits.
Perhaps we could condense the list of codes to a brute-forceable quantity. Whether we use that list to search Google, a public torrent site like tpb, or elsewhere is debatable...but I think without any other information this is the general direction we should be heading in.
Music is math, right?
Or maybe I'm just frustrated and have gone off the deep end.
Yeah I am also in this camp. I think its interesting to consider the Red Moon code reversed (606001) which could extend the current matrix beyond just the 6 implied lines. I am not sure if this gives us any more info a this point though.
I just don't know enough about numbers stations or how they work to make much sense of this.
Is this some more basic matrix puzzle?
Someone on Facebook posted this as being a similar but more easily cracked code but I can't tell if its total BS or not and I am afraid to look into it too much...the number of characters is not consistent:
2ysur2/ysubic/ur2ys4m/xxxxxx/------/bocqed
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:39 pm
by Douay-Rheims
cfish wrote:
-The first set ends in 0 or 10, and the second ends in 9
-With the repeating digits, the first set ends in either 110 (or XX0, if it's just 0,9,8,7,6,5), and the second in XX9 (X = repeating digits)
Not necessarily. Typical Numbers Station broadcasts begin with an indicator that the message is to begin. Sometimes the reader will say "Atención" or "Achtung" or the like, but sometimes the message begins with a number sequence denoting the beginning, perhaps a series of zeroes, or 1 2 3 4 5 6.
The first slot may, in fact, be filled with no more data than an indicator that it comes first and the sequence begins, with the message to follow.
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:44 pm
by cfish
Douay-Rheims wrote:cfish wrote:
-The first set ends in 0 or 10, and the second ends in 9
-With the repeating digits, the first set ends in either 110 (or XX0, if it's just 0,9,8,7,6,5), and the second in XX9 (X = repeating digits)
Not necessarily. Typical Numbers Station broadcasts begin with an indicator that the message is to begin. Sometimes the reader will say "Atención" or "Achtung" or the like, but sometimes the message begins with a number sequence denoting the beginning, perhaps a series of zeroes, or 1 2 3 4 5 6.
The first slot may, in fact, be filled with no more data than an indicator that it comes first and the sequence begins, with the message to follow.
I think the message indicator is the jingle that repeats three times before the code. If you want to hear a real-world example, here's the czech lady from the Conet Project:
http://vimeo.com/musicstore/track/4971/ ... et-project
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:55 pm
by Douay-Rheims
I think the message indicator is the jingle that repeats three times before the code.
I didn't say you were wrong, in fact you're more than likely right on the above point. I was just offering another possibility, one that neatly resolves the (apparent) difficulty with the last digit.
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:05 pm
by Herzog
Does anyone know why it says:
(C) 2013 WARP RECORDS LIMITED (C) 2013 WARP RECORDS LIMITED
twice on the 12 inch cover?
I find that odd.....
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:11 pm
by nickb523
its (P) and (C)
publishing and copyright.
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:12 pm
by Herzog
nickb523 wrote:its (P) and (C)
publishing and copyright.
Oh, you're right. Someone should change that on the bocpages.
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:32 pm
by Keeoaddi
Feels like a long game of hangman.
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:51 pm
by 747Music
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:59 pm
by Fredd-E
Herzog wrote:nickb523 wrote:its (P) and (C)
publishing and copyright.
Oh, you're right. Someone should change that on the bocpages.
You could do it. It's freely editable publically.
But no worries, I already did it.
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:01 pm
by The Friendly Stranger
No, definite fake. Where's the hint in that anyway? Did I miss something?
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:04 pm
by 747Music
The Friendly Stranger wrote:
No, definite fake. Where's the hint in that anyway? Did I miss something?
2:15 in that video has a "------/------/------/------/xxxxxx/------"
edit: I googled the video title and the word means "shortly" or "soon".
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:06 pm
by The Friendly Stranger
747Music wrote:The Friendly Stranger wrote:
No, definite fake. Where's the hint in that anyway? Did I miss something?
2:15 in that video has a "------/------/------/------/xxxxxx/------"
Oh yea haha, how did I miss that?!
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:08 pm
by b0qurant
747Music wrote:The Friendly Stranger wrote:
No, definite fake. Where's the hint in that anyway? Did I miss something?
2:15 in that video has a "------/------/------/------/xxxxxx/------"
edit: I googled the video title and the word means "shortly" or "soon".
How did you get to this video?
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:08 pm
by 747Music
b0qurant wrote:747Music wrote:The Friendly Stranger wrote:
No, definite fake. Where's the hint in that anyway? Did I miss something?
2:15 in that video has a "------/------/------/------/xxxxxx/------"
edit: I googled the video title and the word means "shortly" or "soon".
How did you get to this video?
It was posted in a comment on the Julie and Candy video.
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:10 pm
by b0qurant
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
We should wait a bit and see what happens. I wouldn't be surprised if that is real, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it is not.
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:13 pm
by DaveJ
I don't believe this one to be authentic lads, it just doesn't sound legit to me at all. And I could be wrong of course. The pic also definitely looks a bit cheap for BoC in my opinion.
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:17 pm
by The Friendly Stranger
DaveJ wrote:I don't believe this one to be authentic lads, it just doesn't sound legit to me at all. And I could be wrong of course. The pic also definitely looks a bit cheap for BoC in my opinion.
This x10
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:39 pm
by 747Music
It looks like it's in the official BoC youtube account playlist.
edit: or is it that the comment is from a video that is from the official BoC youtube account playlist?....