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Well said.

Najlepsiejszy wrote:
And maybe I was wrong about the nostalgia. I ABSOLUTELY do not get any of the vibes on TH. Maybe it's because I'm 17 or maybe it's because it's the past to which nothing shows we will come back

lol you should read more reviews of the album, there are really interesting reviews/analysis, sometimes it helps to understand a piece of work you just can't get in to, or just leave it for the future, maybe you like it then, that's not a big deal, our opinions and taste change, so who knows maybe you will look at TH from different perspective and will be amazed how you didn't like it before

It's also funny to think about BOC not reading ANYTHING that resembles any kind of critique.

at if they feel the same way the did in the Geogaddi interview where they said something like "even positive comments can be damaging" ...



P.S I had a dream where the back catalogue was released...

arvy wrote:

Najlepsiejszy wrote:
And maybe I was wrong about the nostalgia. I ABSOLUTELY do not get any of the vibes on TH. Maybe it's because I'm 17 or maybe it's because it's the past to which nothing shows we will come back

edit; also you have a pretty good taste in music like for seventeen, I remember my self at that age listening to hardcore,jungle, drum and bass, boc would be to subtle to pick up and enjoy for me, so you should be proud of your self to listen to complex music like this, also, yeah I kind of think that Tomorrow's Harvest is really more in to mature audience but still it is playfull enough, it's a very good album

d e n wrote:is english your first language? if it is i mean no offense and if not i think that makes sense as to why i feel you're talking about the music in a way that doesn't make sense to me

It is not. If you want me to elaborate on something, just ask

I have to admit that I have a weak memory and I don't recall comparing the album to other bands' works except for Shaking The Habitual.

However, I think that I've been mostly comparing the album to other works by BoC. And I think that's fair

I love Nothing Is Real! Chuter's version is great too, check it out!

Mexicola wrote:Forced, no. Given it time, yes. You young'uns today, you want it all in 20seconds...

I love slow music. Buckle High is one of my favorite tracks by BoC and I've listened to the Disintegration Loops lots of times.

Peacock Tail wrote:The type of politics BOC are referencing on TH are bleak.

And besides, that's not the point I was making. Spirituality doesn't have to mean the occult either....

Politics are nasty as a whole I think...

And it doesn't! From One Source All Things Depend? Possible references to verses of the Bible?

arvy wrote:lol you should read more reviews of the album, there are really interesting reviews/analysis, sometimes it helps to understand a piece of work you just can't get in to, or just leave it for the future, maybe you like it then, that's not a big deal, our opinions and taste change, so who knows maybe you will look at TH from different perspective and will be amazed how you didn't like it before

Maybe I'll try that

Jungle and hardcore are really good, well done

I meant slow as in it takes time to appreciate rather than the tempo of the song. Nothing wrong with things that hit home immediately, but the stuff that makes you wait usually ends up staying a favorite for longer.

Buckie High is a glorious track though, we agree on that at least!

i was listening to someone on youtube review tomorrows harvest. and they said something that stuck out to me.

he basically found palace posy to be obnoxious, because it simply doesnt fit with the rest of the material on the album. which i agree.

anyway. this got me thinking, i remember someone posting that the, ELEVEN, ELEVEN, ELEVEN at the end of palace posy is actually from an old news station commercial, which got me thinking from another standpoint, and i came up with a new idea.


i believe that tomorrows harvest is like a mental, made for tv movie. and palace posy is simply a commercial break.

its like when you were a kid watching the tv at home getting really into a movie, and all of a sudden a commercial comes on which is completely out of place with the emotion or feeling that the movie just had you in

anyway. if tomorrows harvest was turned into a movie, i honestly believe palace posy would be the commercial break between scenes in the movie.

Or an intermission. Lovely idea, right?

Fireal420 wrote:i was listening to someone on youtube review tomorrows harvest. and they said something that stuck out to me.

he basically found palace posy to be obnoxious, because it simply doesnt fit with the rest of the material on the album. which i agree.

anyway. this got me thinking, i remember someone posting that the, ELEVEN, ELEVEN, ELEVEN at the end of palace posy is actually from an old news station commercial, which got me thinking from another standpoint, and i came up with a new idea.


i believe that tomorrows harvest is like a mental, made for tv movie. and palace posy is simply a commercial break.

its like when you were a kid watching the tv at home getting really into a movie, and all of a sudden a commercial comes on which is completely out of place with the emotion or feeling that the movie just had you in

anyway. if tomorrows harvest was turned into a movie, i honestly believe palace posy would be the commercial break between scenes in the movie.

that's very cool idea, never thought about this, I mean, I was thinking bout like a film, but like a TV..it's really facinating, so if PP is a commercial break, then Split Your Infinities is news channel? That's the most interesting how they imagine this track, is like a monolithn 3 minutes monologue, I always thinking why they put whole monologue just without any hearable edition? Yes it's warped, but just to hear the this monologue for me was strange. And the thing that come to mind is, imagine if I would be completely isolated from the news and the world, and just decide to surf the web after 10 years, then I accedently hit that FEMA camps video, my sanity would wrped like that voice

Mexicola wrote:I meant slow as in it takes time to appreciate rather than the tempo of the song. Nothing wrong with things that hit home immediately, but the stuff that makes you wait usually ends up staying a favorite for longer.

But there's nothing that can hit home. The tracks are so incredibly empty and effortless it's sad. Two or three melodies in a track don't make a masterpiece. Uritual? Sundown? Collapse? Telepath? Reach For The Dead- the AMAZING-and-oh-so-incredible-track-which-deserves-a-music-video? Gemini? Semena Mertvykh? Split Your Infinites? Transmissiones Ferox? You can just call them ambient tracks, sure, but ambient =/= lazy. Lots of ambient tracks don't just have a single melody or feel completely empty on the ears. Michel Jarre had more texture on his songs in 1976 than BoC in 2013.

I'm not saying that "empty" tracks are bad on an LP, but they ARE bad when there's just too many of them. They get absolutely boring.

Was the nuclear era full of sadness and depression? Because seriously, you gotta find that sweet balance between sadness and happiness. Everything of course boils down to individual interpretation, but we're talking about general themes here. Just switch the subject. If you're making an album about the Cold War and nuclear stuff, make some happy songs. Maybe to some guy they will be about the discovery of the whole process of splitting atoms and the scientists' hope of using it for making the world a better place, maybe they will be about the usual life of people during that era, and another lad will think that the songs are about the good guys' victory in a nuclear war.

Tomorrow's Harvest would have been great if there were more happy songs. THEN you would be like "oh wow, life then doesn't seem so bad" and then I dunno Uritual kicks in and you think "oh yeah well I guess the feeling of constant danger caused by the warheads and having irresponsible people keep their hands on the red button is bad"

I'm afraid that I'll never like the LP lol

You didn't have to justify not liking it man. Doesn't make you a bad person or wrong. There is no wrong, its just different tastes.

arvy wrote:

Fireal420 wrote:i was listening to someone on youtube review tomorrows harvest. and they said something that stuck out to me.

he basically found palace posy to be obnoxious, because it simply doesnt fit with the rest of the material on the album. which i agree.

anyway. this got me thinking, i remember someone posting that the, ELEVEN, ELEVEN, ELEVEN at the end of palace posy is actually from an old news station commercial, which got me thinking from another standpoint, and i came up with a new idea.


i believe that tomorrows harvest is like a mental, made for tv movie. and palace posy is simply a commercial break.

its like when you were a kid watching the tv at home getting really into a movie, and all of a sudden a commercial comes on which is completely out of place with the emotion or feeling that the movie just had you in

anyway. if tomorrows harvest was turned into a movie, i honestly believe palace posy would be the commercial break between scenes in the movie.

that's very cool idea, never thought about this, I mean, I was thinking bout like a film, but like a TV..it's really facinating, so if PP is a commercial break, then Split Your Infinities is news channel? That's the most interesting how they imagine this track, is like a monolithn 3 minutes monologue, I always thinking why they put whole monologue just without any hearable edition? Yes it's warped, but just to hear the this monologue for me was strange. And the thing that come to mind is, imagine if I would be completely isolated from the news and the world, and just decide to surf the web after 10 years, then I accedently hit that FEMA camps video, my sanity would wrped like that voice

I really like these interpretations of Palace Posy, I've never thought of it that way. That's one of my favorite things about BoC - there are so many different ways to interpret the music, so it's always evolving in a way. It keeps it fresh for me.

Palace Posy, to me, has been a glimpse into a party at a palace or estate while the world crumbles. People are dancing, it's frenzied, and while they're enjoying themselves they are desperate because they know that what's happening outside will eventually affect them too. When the voiced start I hear "we are dancing, we are dancing..." and I forget the rest. But they're acknowledging their situation with desperation. If they dance fast enough it will go away. The dancing is the posy, they're using it in the palace to ward off the plague (the myriad things that caused the collapse). That's my interpretation anyway, and I find it to be an effective way to deal with the fact that this song sticks out like an abortionist in the Vatican. One of my favorites.

(First post, hello everyone! I've been lurking since Tomorrow's Harvest came out and have been very impressed and a bit intimidated by the level of discourse here. And by the civility! Probably the most sane place I've come across online).

Welcome! Make yourself at home

cool, how did you find that?

Some people found it 2 years ago, but I figured that not everyone heard it by now

I wish this was a band

Lazerize wrote:

arvy wrote:

Fireal420 wrote:i was listening to someone on youtube review tomorrows harvest. and they said something that stuck out to me.

he basically found palace posy to be obnoxious, because it simply doesnt fit with the rest of the material on the album. which i agree.

anyway. this got me thinking, i remember someone posting that the, ELEVEN, ELEVEN, ELEVEN at the end of palace posy is actually from an old news station commercial, which got me thinking from another standpoint, and i came up with a new idea.


i believe that tomorrows harvest is like a mental, made for tv movie. and palace posy is simply a commercial break.

its like when you were a kid watching the tv at home getting really into a movie, and all of a sudden a commercial comes on which is completely out of place with the emotion or feeling that the movie just had you in

anyway. if tomorrows harvest was turned into a movie, i honestly believe palace posy would be the commercial break between scenes in the movie.

that's very cool idea, never thought about this, I mean, I was thinking bout like a film, but like a TV..it's really facinating, so if PP is a commercial break, then Split Your Infinities is news channel? That's the most interesting how they imagine this track, is like a monolithn 3 minutes monologue, I always thinking why they put whole monologue just without any hearable edition? Yes it's warped, but just to hear the this monologue for me was strange. And the thing that come to mind is, imagine if I would be completely isolated from the news and the world, and just decide to surf the web after 10 years, then I accedently hit that FEMA camps video, my sanity would wrped like that voice

I really like these interpretations of Palace Posy, I've never thought of it that way. That's one of my favorite things about BoC - there are so many different ways to interpret the music, so it's always evolving in a way. It keeps it fresh for me.

Palace Posy, to me, has been a glimpse into a party at a palace or estate while the world crumbles. People are dancing, it's frenzied, and while they're enjoying themselves they are desperate because they know that what's happening outside will eventually affect them too. When the voiced start I hear "we are dancing, we are dancing..." and I forget the rest. But they're acknowledging their situation with desperation. If they dance fast enough it will go away. The dancing is the posy, they're using it in the palace to ward off the plague (the myriad things that caused the collapse). That's my interpretation anyway, and I find it to be an effective way to deal with the fact that this song sticks out like an abortionist in the Vatican. One of my favorites.

(First post, hello everyone! I've been lurking since Tomorrow's Harvest came out and have been very impressed and a bit intimidated by the level of discourse here. And by the civility! Probably the most sane place I've come across online).

Agree, Palace Posy is very good, especially if you listening to it as whole album.
Like, the track before, Collapse (ground zero), which is really massive, dense and loud, we're throwing in to this colorful, vivid and uplifting track. But there's something very wrong underneath. Like you said, the people are in the Palace, they are dancing, but their realisation depends on how much they dance.
If you dancing on the rise of Apocalypse, you can have fun of your life, but eventually you will acknowledge it.

Agree, Palace Posy is very good, especially if you listening to it as whole album.
Like, the track before, Collapse (ground zero), which is really massive, dense and loud, we're throwing in to this colorful, vivid and uplifting track. But there's something very wrong underneath. Like you said, the people are in the Palace, they are dancing, but their realisation depends on how much they dance.
If you dancing on the rise of Apocalypse, you can have fun of your life, but eventually you will acknowledge it.

This is interesting I have thought of Palace Posy as man or some other animal developing a new culture after being bombed back into the stone age. The last sound before it, that slow static sounds to me like the last thing someone might hear before being bombed and becoming nothing, like an attack jet passing overhead or its missile.

Halfway through the track a primitive celebration starts, with dancing and chanting around a big fire, maybe fueled by old telephone pole pieces.

"Jesus, was it you in weed...?"