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k like WHY would you need BOTH FLAC AND WAV?

From a .WAV you can convert it to .FLAC. From .FLAC you can convert it to anything.

I don't understand why shops bother providing wav files in the first place. Completely useless waste of bandwidth and disk space at both ends.

For people with iTunes and other software that can't play FLACs?

What do you guys even listen to flacs on? I hate listening to music on the computer (bad speakers and hate looking at a screen while listening to music) but that's the only place it seems flacs can be used.

When I go out, as far as digital file playback is concerned, I have an iPod and my car stereo has a USB port so I can use a thumb drive. Also the CD player can read an mp3-formatted disc which is useful at times. But none of these things support flac files! Do you all just have non-iPod MP3 players?

azamarro wrote:What do you guys even listen to flacs on? I hate listening to music on the computer (bad speakers and hate looking at a screen while listening to music) but that's the only place it seems flacs can be used.

When I go out, as far as digital file playback is concerned, I have an iPod and my car stereo has a USB port so I can use a thumb drive. Also the CD player can read an mp3-formatted disc which is useful at times. But none of these things support flac files! Do you all just have non-iPod MP3 players?

I have a 6 year old Cowon A3 that plays pretty much any audio/video format. Love that little beast of a media player. Cowon has always been one of my favorite media players. It has some really good bass eq's and other settings to fully maximize the sound potential.

ABCDecide wrote:For people with iTunes and other software that can't play FLACs?

You can do FLAC>ALAC, which is exactly the same process as WAV>ALAC, or just move away from iTunes altogether.

Basefree wrote:

ABCDecide wrote:For people with iTunes and other software that can't play FLACs?

You can do FLAC>ALAC, which is exactly the same process as WAV>ALAC, or just move away from iTunes altogether.

Boards of Canada masters their music specifically for iTunes so I'm not sure that would be a good idea.

superuser wrote:

Basefree wrote:

ABCDecide wrote:For people with iTunes and other software that can't play FLACs?

You can do FLAC>ALAC, which is exactly the same process as WAV>ALAC, or just move away from iTunes altogether.

Boards of Canada masters their music specifically for iTunes so I'm not sure that would be a good idea.

lol

Basefree wrote:

ABCDecide wrote:For people with iTunes and other software that can't play FLACs?

You can do FLAC>ALAC, which is exactly the same process as WAV>ALAC, or just move away from iTunes altogether.

You can't do that in iTunes, though, which is all a lot of people know how to do. Most people don't want to download another tool just for an album.

I'm sure a lot of people already know this or have there own prefs, but here is a decent option for iTunes/iPhone/iPod users.

I download WAVs then drop them into iTunes. Select them all as a group. File>Convert to Apple Lossless.

Delete the WAVs from iTunes, but keep the original downloaded WAVs for backup.

In iTunes, Select all the Apple Lossless files that you created and edit the tags to your liking + add artwork.

This gives you a tagged lossless file to use on your computer and portable devices. Entire process probably takes 5 min.

azamarro wrote:What do you guys even listen to flacs on? I hate listening to music on the computer (bad speakers and hate looking at a screen while listening to music) but that's the only place it seems flacs can be used.

When I go out, as far as digital file playback is concerned, I have an iPod and my car stereo has a USB port so I can use a thumb drive. Also the CD player can read an mp3-formatted disc which is useful at times. But none of these things support flac files! Do you all just have non-iPod MP3 players?

VLC plays FLACS. they sound huge. However, if you bought the FLACs from bleep you can download the 16bit WAVs too... which is the same exact quality as the CD.

supersuser, i'm confused by your post, what are the benefit of that? when I clicked the WAVs in their folder after downloading they automatically transferred into itunes.

d e n wrote:

azamarro wrote:What do you guys even listen to flacs on? I hate listening to music on the computer (bad speakers and hate looking at a screen while listening to music) but that's the only place it seems flacs can be used.

When I go out, as far as digital file playback is concerned, I have an iPod and my car stereo has a USB port so I can use a thumb drive. Also the CD player can read an mp3-formatted disc which is useful at times. But none of these things support flac files! Do you all just have non-iPod MP3 players?

VLC plays FLACS. they sound huge. However, if you bought the FLACs from bleep you can download the 16bit WAVs too! which is the same exact quality as the CD.

supersuser, i'm confused by your post, what i the benefit of that? when I clicked the WAVs in their folder after downloading they automatically transferred into itunes.

WAVs can't be fully tagged like some other formats. For just listening they are fine. The Apple Lossless files should also be significantly smaller size too, but not nearly as economical to size/quality as FLACS.

funny how i never hear people saying 'these wavs sound great!' but people always declare how great flac sounds.

yeah i call bullshit on anyone in this thread that says they can hear a difference between V0 mp3 and FLAC / Wav / Lossless while PORTABLE. i already call BS on just being able to tell a difference in general, but CERTAINLY NOT while portable.

my point was that from wav you can get to any format you want
from flac you can get to any format you want

so there's no need to download both

Calvin wrote:yeah i call bullshit on anyone in this thread that says they can hear a difference between V0 mp3 and FLAC / Wav / Lossless while PORTABLE. i already call BS on just being able to tell a difference in general, but CERTAINLY NOT while portable.

my point was that from wav you can get to any format you want
from flac you can get to any format you want

so there's no need to download both

I call bullshit on a military sniper having greater than 20/20 vision. I wear glasses.

superuser wrote:I call bullshit on a military sniper having greater than 20/20 vision. I wear glasses.

I'm sorry but the guy you're responding it pretty much correct. Distincting V0 from lossless is possible under some conditions, but a 16-bit lossless (particularly if properly dithered) from a 24-bit is not possible under any conditions.

okay hang with me for a second,

so the quality of the WAVs i downloaded from bleep aren't jeopardized by letting them download automatically into itunes?

d e n wrote:okay hang with me for a second,

so the quality of the WAVs i downloaded from bleep aren't jeopardized by letting them download automatically into itunes?

Nope, they're full quality, they just can't store all the info data (tags). Year, composer, artwork, artist, etc

superuser wrote:Nope, they're full quality, they just can't store all the info data (tags). Year, composer, artwork, artist, etc

Actually you can, but the standard specifications don't define tagging for wav. A lot of music player software (Foobar for one) is able to both write and read tags from wav files as well. Then again, it's not commonly done so since it isn't specified how the tagging should precisely work.

i see, yeah i was going to try and add the album artwork. ill post here if i find it's possible