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was in a half of Europe, but actually never was in UK, so it's hard to say what is best for people in there, but some of my friends went there, stayed, made families, kids, my sister is studying there, dunno how it would affect all of it, but probably I personally will never go to the UK now, I had far future plans, but I'm simply more and more comfortable in my country, still the idea of "no borders" always facinated me, as a kid I was brought from Russia there I was born, to the other part of the world, so multicultarism always was in my blood. So now, if you ask me there I would travel for weekend party, to shopping or to a festival, to London or to Berlin for example, probably would choose later, then again I never lived there, maybe there's more important things than multicultarism and free mooving and we don't see the bigger picture.

fujee wrote:This is fucked up, when I think about what the future holds.

I fear for humanity more everyday.

I think I'll listen to TH extra loud today.

arvy wrote:maybe there's more important things than multicultarism and free mooving and we don't see the bigger picture.

I think freedom and multiculturism is what it's all about, its them dividing so we fight eachother instead.

Global superpower my arse. It's been hard to walk past the elderly and the dim witted today and fighting down the urge to punch them in the face. I'm only partly kidding.

Oh God.

Welcome to Children of Men.

Scotland will go, and quite rightly, their case is more than legitimate. Corbyn is in a precarious situation, he very well may go, but will Labour take the centre ground after knowing their traditional voting base is incredibly disgruntled and in favour of anti-establishment politics? It's up for grabs after the Tories inevitably verge right, but that might be the nail in the coffin. The world seems very confusing and weird right now. I also fill up with impotent rage at the thought that somewhere out there Iain Duncan Smith is very smug. Fucking hell, what is this.

If there was ever a right time for BoC to release something new to improve the mood, now would be that time. I feel like a close friend has died today, so utterly depressing, the Welsh voting for exit, ashamed!

fujee wrote:but will Labour take the centre ground after knowing their traditional voting base is incredibly disgruntled and in favour of anti-establishment politics? It's up for grabs after the Tories inevitably verge right, but that might be the nail in the coffin. .

At one time Labour represented working people and their interests and were the anti-establishment. Then Blair moved them to the centre ground and for a while won over floating voters, but shafted their core constituency in the process. Brexit was their voters' payback, along with the rise of UKIP.
And now the Blairites in the Labour party think the solution, on the eve of a power grab by the right wing of the Tory party, is to stage their own coup against the most left wing leadership in recent years. 'You couldn't make it up' as they say.
People are demanding change and the Parliamentary Labour Party want to give them more Tory-lite. They simply don't get it and when they do, it will be too late.

Labour are fucked. This time it looks terminal.

Agreed. When I said anti-establishment, I was referring to the distaste of the Blairite vision and it's betrayal of traditional Labour voters. What do Labour do? It's seemingly a catch-22. All of the discourse around this has been centered on the Tory in-fighting, and yes, it feels like the country and continent has been taken hostage by this. But the real predicament lies with the left, what is the strategy now?

I'm quite drunk , so forgive the rant and ramble....
Just read an interview with Blair where he states more or less that Corbyn's failure was being unable to convince the working class that the EU was in their interests. In other words, he was unwilling or unable to spin the plebs.
This epitomises everything that's wrong with New Labour and their remnants, their contempt for their voters. Even though I voted remain, I completely see why many didn't.
For me, the future of the left is back to basics, ditching identity politics. I think there's still a big enough electorate for socialism - there is a solid economic case for the post-war settlement of the NHS and welfare state, traditional investment in green industry and R&D, infrastructure and so on. Whether the media will let it be heard is a different matter.
We're potentially entering a post-drudgery world, where technology could free us from shit jobs and deliver more satisfying working lives, if harnessed well and the right economic structures were put in place. No-one is addressing this yet and capitalist solutions belong in the old world. Perhaps the EU does too. Maybe modernism isn't over yet.
Who knows what the future holds, maybe this cloud has a silver lining and post-Brexit, something might emerge...there's still brightness in the future. (I'm a pretty happy and optimistic drunk)

*raises beer*

TO THE FUTURE!

*clink*

Cheers!

nothing will change. same thing happened when quebec tried to leave canada. NOTHING HAPPENED.
IF anything changes it will take forever and probably go unnoticed.

will somebody please provide me with a dumbed down version of what the brexit is exactly.

and how will it be affecting the people living within the countries who chose to exit.

thank you kindly

Saw the result come in at 5am on a ferry to Dublin. Me and a random trucker stood watching the BBC news with the sound off on a deserted deck. About as grey and sombre as befits news like that. Walking around Dublin yesterday was surreal. We have a great example of an EU country right on our doorstep but it wasn't enough to convince people to not figuratively cut their own throats in pursuit of whatever fucked up sense of independence drove this. Insane.

So now because her mother is from clare she's getting dual citizenship. We'll be ok I think. I worry for other people. And I worry that when the shit starts hitting the fan here there won't be any moment of realisation of what the truth of it all was, nobody's gonna be getting mad at Farage and Boris and co, they'll be looking round at each other for who to blame for the country being in a hole. Not the immigrants this time, maybe the disabled or long term unemployed. Already there are reports of EU nationals getting random street abuse in the wake of this result along the lines of 'we'll be getting rid of you soon'. I just feel it's going to get impossibly ugly and at some point it's gonna make sense to cut and run entirely. Again we're lucky in that we probably can. Doesn't make me smile.

I've just realised something that, given the current situation the UK finds itself in, is quite incredible, unbelievable. I was watching the Leave press conference - something wasn't quite right - the atmosphere was flat, subdued, and then it dawned on me -

None of the leave campaign wanted to win.

Sure, the campaign was fun and career-enhancing, the underdogs fighting the 'elite', but now, after the press conference, they've disappeared. Shouldn't they be all over the TV, pumped and ready to go?
It makes sense now that they backed Cameron to stay on - they have no interest in doing the heavy lifting, the real negotiation work. Cameron, fair play to him, said fuck that, I'm out.
But where does that leave the rest of us? I'm appalled at the idea of a second referendum, my belief is that democracy took place and we should act like adults and take responsibility for the decision, however it's becoming clear just how hollow the leave campaign actually was.

I'd be more inclined to act like an adult, all dignified and calm, if my future and that of my daughter hadn't just been royally fucked up the arse by a bunch of Little Englander cockwombles. Sorry, I'm in no mood to have any truck with reconciliation. A line has been crossed.

Mexicola wrote:I'd be more inclined to act like an adult, all dignified and calm, if my future and that of my daughter hadn't just been royally fucked up the arse by a bunch of Little Englander cockwombles. Sorry, I'm in no mood to have any truck with reconciliation. A line has been crossed.

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TheStatPow wrote:I wonder if the brothers voted In or Out, if they did voted.

I thought they're in Idaho now. I'd say it's unlikely that they're living in the UK since all the Tomorrow's Harvest stuff was in the US and I think they mentioned spending time in New Zealand.

Great article, being Welsh this makes me so depressed, who's going to look out for us now!!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... type=Email