Gaza, 1000+ killed, and counting...

eppers · Post by **eppers** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:52 pm

turquoise70 wrote:
Mexicola wrote: EDIT: apparently ol' Barack is now "Deeply concerned about civilian casualties".
For a minute there I was worried Barack Obama was unconcerned about civilian casualties, but I guess everything is okay after all.

*bad mood*

I'm deeply concerned about the weather. :/

ryetronics · Post by **ryetronics** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:00 pm

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/0 ... strip.html

eppers · Post by **eppers** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:43 pm

Korona 1969 · Post by **Korona 1969** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:47 am

eppers wrote:702

And 219 of those are children.

turquoise70 · Post by **turquoise70** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:24 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RmU1_YoZxs
This Is The Israeli Peace

I was near the verge of tears after watching this, so for lack of anything else to do about it, I drew pictures.

Q: What's wrong with this picture?

A: Somewhere in Palestine a doll is missing his little girl.

Cupz · Post by **Cupz** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:56 pm

I thought you where never going to do a picture with a political/social meaning

turquoise70 · Post by **turquoise70** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:22 pm

Cupz wrote:I thought you where never going to do a picture with a political/social meaning

I've done them before. My buddy has a picture I did for the 2008 election, he's going to scan it and reconstruct it in Illustrator.

But mostly I think political artwork is a waste of inspiration. Politics are stupid. Imagination is a way better source of inspiration for me.

Magi · Post by **Magi** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:22 pm

WHY OH WHY!

eppers · Post by **eppers** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:42 pm

turquoise70 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RmU1_YoZxs
This Is The Israeli Peace

I was near the verge of tears after watching this, so for lack of anything else to do about it, I drew pictures.

Q: What's wrong with this picture?

A: Somewhere in Palestine a doll is missing his little girl.

this is beautifully devastating.
much respect to you man.

765 killed

eppers · Post by **eppers** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:41 am

WARNING: THIS IS VERY EXPLICIT CONTENT.
if you don't have the guts for this, don't click it..

Cupz · Post by **Cupz** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:00 am

eppers wrote:
WARNING: THIS IS VERY EXPLICIT CONTENT.
if you don't have the guts for this, don't click it..

Horrible...words can not describe.

Fucking inhumane assholes.

ryetronics · Post by **ryetronics** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:30 pm

eppers wrote:
WARNING: THIS IS VERY EXPLICIT CONTENT.
if you don't have the guts for this, don't click it..

This reminds me of a video I saw of the aftermath of a suicide bombing on a bus in Tel Aviv.

War is hell.

eppers · Post by **eppers** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:44 pm

ryetronics wrote:
eppers wrote:
WARNING: THIS IS VERY EXPLICIT CONTENT.
if you don't have the guts for this, don't click it..
This reminds me of a video I saw of the aftermath of a suicide bombing on a bus in Tel Aviv.

War is hell.

same thing?
look at the ratios of Palestinians vs Israelis killed.

Israel is no match to Palestine.
but we Palestinians differ in one thing, we won't give up the land, or give up the fight, or allow someone to oppress us quietly..
it's nothing *like* suicide bombings..

and btw, hamas attacks because that's the only thing Israel is letting it do.. they didn't leave them any choice... get bombed and be quiet?

the zionist state doesn't want peace, they want the whole area cleansed of arabs..

read the facts, don't read zionist propaganda.

ryetronics · Post by **ryetronics** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:46 pm

eppers wrote:
ryetronics wrote:
eppers wrote:
WARNING: THIS IS VERY EXPLICIT CONTENT.
if you don't have the guts for this, don't click it..
This reminds me of a video I saw of the aftermath of a suicide bombing on a bus in Tel Aviv.

War is hell.
same thing?
look at the ratios of Palestinians vs Israelis killed.

Israel is no match to Palestine.
but we Palestinians differ in one thing, we won't give up the land, or give up the fight, or allow someone to oppress us quietly..
it's nothing *like* suicide bombings..

and btw, hamas attacks because that's the only thing Israel is letting it do.. they didn't leave them any choice... get bombed and be quiet?

the zionist state doesn't want peace, they want the whole area cleansed of arabs..

read the facts, don't read zionist propaganda.

I was only referring to the video and the human suffering after a violent explosion. It's horrible.

eppers · Post by **eppers** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:48 pm

Israel continues Gaza assault after rejecting UN demands for an "immediate ceasefire".

At least 792 Palestinians have been killed and 3,250 injured since the Israeli offensive began on December 27.

More than 250 Palestinian children and nearly 92 women are among the dead.

Thirteen Israelis, including three civilians, have been killed during the same period.

eppers · Post by **eppers** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:53 pm

ryetronics wrote:
eppers wrote:
ryetronics wrote: This reminds me of a video I saw of the aftermath of a suicide bombing on a bus in Tel Aviv.

War is hell.
same thing?
look at the ratios of Palestinians vs Israelis killed.

Israel is no match to Palestine.
but we Palestinians differ in one thing, we won't give up the land, or give up the fight, or allow someone to oppress us quietly..
it's nothing *like* suicide bombings..

and btw, hamas attacks because that's the only thing Israel is letting it do.. they didn't leave them any choice... get bombed and be quiet?

the zionist state doesn't want peace, they want the whole area cleansed of arabs..

read the facts, don't read zionist propaganda.
I was only referring to the video and the human suffering after a violent explosion. It's horrible.

It is horrible, but a suicide bombing is ONE explosion.
Israel dumps 100's of rockets and bombs and phosphorus bombs (and many other things) on Gaza, every...single...day

Green Pylon · Post by **Green Pylon** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:07 pm

turquoise70 · Post by **turquoise70** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:16 pm

Green Pylon wrote:

I hope that's not an attempt to say the holocaust was faked.

Talking numbers (13 Israelis vs 700+ Palestinians) does no good to comfort the loved ones of those who died, on either side. Prizing one side of some stupid bloody conflict over another makes me fucking sick. Israelis are human beings and Palestinians are human beings, it's a tragedy when either of them dies. Fuck the so-called "justifications" for warring on -both- sides. War is ALWAYS the wrong answer. That doesn't mean Palestine has any -other- viable answer available. Sometimes there is no right answer. Sometimes nobody wins. Sometimes everyone fucking loses. War is when everyone loses.

eppers · Post by **eppers** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:24 pm

turquoise70 wrote:
Green Pylon wrote:
I hope that's not an attempt to say the holocaust was faked.

Talking numbers (13 Israelis vs 700+ Palestinians) does no good to comfort the loved ones of those who died, on either side. Prizing one side of some stupid bloody conflict over another makes me fucking sick. Israelis are human beings and Palestinians are human beings, it's a tragedy when either of them dies. Fuck the so-called "justifications" for warring on -both- sides. War is ALWAYS the wrong answer. That doesn't mean Palestine has any -other- viable answer available. Sometimes there is no right answer. Sometimes nobody wins. Sometimes everyone fucking loses. War is when everyone loses.

That caricature is obviously saying either that the holocaust made jews into zionists, or that zionists are using the holocaust story to justify the war... it obviously doesn't deny the holocaust, it's too obvious man..

Also, when you lock 1.5 million people into a prison with no basic necessities, i.e. water, electricity, medical supplies, and bomb them continuously, they're going to tend to be violent against their oppressor, don't assume that you're making valid judgments while you haven't been anywhere near that situation.. put yourself in their shoes, and imagine what it would be like.

in my opinion, the war, which tends to get hamas attacking, then israel using that to justify their inhumane attacks, gets civilians in israel voting for the right wing, which get's the racist government doing whatever they want to do..

it's too obvious, what's going on.. it's far from what you're thinking..

peace

turquoise70 · Post by **turquoise70** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:11 pm

eppers wrote:Also, when you lock 1.5 million people into a prison with no basic necessities, i.e. water, electricity, medical supplies, and bomb them continuously, they're going to tend to be violent against their oppressor, don't assume that you're making valid judgments while you haven't been anywhere near that situation.. put yourself in their shoes, and imagine what it would be like.

I get what you're saying dude, but please don't play the "You can't say shit about it at all because you haven't been shelled" move here - I'm allowed an opinion on it and all I'm trying to say is an Israeli non-combatant getting mutilated and murdered makes me as sad as a Palestinian non-combatant getting mutilated and murdered. I don't think that's an invalid judgment.