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I love the sample. I honestly scratch my head at the divisiveness of it.

I think part of the impact comes from the perception of Boards of Canada having a more gentle sound. While we know they're more complicated than that, it does nonetheless make it hit all the harder and I'm sure that's what's divisive about it

I don’t want to sound dismissive - If a listener is turned off by the vocals then I feel like they’re not yet attuned to BOC’s sensibilities, sense of humor, etc. They even planted the seed for this with the vocals on Nothing Is Real. They’re fulfilling their vision.

I’m so glad that these songs are going to be more intricately structured like on TCH too.

Den wrote:I don’t want to sound dismissive - If a listener is turned off by the vocals then I feel like they’re not yet attuned to BOC’s sensibilities, sense of humor, etc. They even planted the seed for this with the vocals on Nothing Is Real. They’re fulfilling their vision.

I’m so glad that these songs are going to be more intricately structured like on TCH too.

Not to mention Aquarius, 1969, In A Beautiful Place Out in the Country, literally the first track on their "first" "public" release, Sixtyniner. As an element in their work it's practically been part of the statement of intent from the beginning, without even dipping into all the sampling in the old tapes. It's honestly impressive how varied yet stylistically and artistically consistent they've been all these decades.

Yes.

I think we’re going to hear more vocals, hand drums, and explicitly ‘live’ drum sounds throughout the record.

Just noticed that Introit is in 5/4.

I'm scratching my head to recall other BOC pieces in an odd time signature, but can't think of one right now.

DFD21 wrote:Just noticed that Introit is in 5/4.

I'm scratching my head to recall other BOC pieces in an odd time signature, but can't think of one right now.

And in transcribing that synth ostinato at the beginning I note it's a C Lydian piece, slightly flattened in true BOC style, which is totally in keeping with a filmic theme for Inferno as film composers use the Lydian mode all the time.



Rick Beato did a nice intro (geddit) to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4IJnSTS84A

I think the meter on Introit aligns with this non-Western influence that’s present in the new music.

Also

pentagrams

The In a Beautiful Place Out in the Country EP features both an image of David Koresh and a reference to him in the lyrics. Geogaddi was sequenced to play at 66 minutes and 6 seconds, you have a song titled "The Devil is in the Details" and at the All Tomorrow Parties music festival, your films featured clips of people losing themselves in euphoric religious abandon. What gives with the cultish phenomena?

E: "We're interested in all kinds of subjects, and I suppose we went through a patch of looking at cults and the mass mind control of religion and so on. We read a lot and pay attention to cultural events, but we view everything from a distance. We're up here in our observation point, gathering up data about all the weird shit that's happening in the world and spewing it out in some way in our music and visuals. The Davidians thing was about the shock of seeing the way the U.S. authorities handled it all."

Marcus: "With Geogaddi we aimed to bring together themes of music, mathematics, and patterns in nature. Both of us believe that people should take responsibility for themselves. We wanted to show that one can celebrate life, art, and the world without necessarily attributing everything to 'God's work'. Christian art often portrays great works as creations of a higher power rather than the humans who made them. By focusing on the patterns and mathematical principles that govern the universe, Geogaddi suggests that people can celebrate freely without needing religion."

Gimme some sparkling Orange!

magrathea_ultima wrote:re: religion/cults/magic

May I kindly point out to you the body of work of Christopher Hitchens.

(Additionally: Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Ricky Gervais, Stephen Fry, Sigmund Freud, Bertrand Russell, Thomas Edison, Friedrich Nietzsche, Mark Twain, Douglas Adams, David Suzuki, George Carlin, James Rachels...)

And if you want the other side of the argument

Rene Girard, Alvin Plantinga, William James, Roy Rappaport, Carl Jung, Mircea Eliade, G.K. Chesterton

♄ope keeper wrote:The In a Beautiful Place Out in the Country EP features both an image of David Koresh and a reference to him in the lyrics. Geogaddi was sequenced to play at 66 minutes and 6 seconds, you have a song titled "The Devil is in the Details" and at the All Tomorrow Parties music festival, your films featured clips of people losing themselves in euphoric religious abandon. What gives with the cultish phenomena?

E: "We're interested in all kinds of subjects, and I suppose we went through a patch of looking at cults and the mass mind control of religion and so on. We read a lot and pay attention to cultural events, but we view everything from a distance. We're up here in our observation point, gathering up data about all the weird shit that's happening in the world and spewing it out in some way in our music and visuals. The Davidians thing was about the shock of seeing the way the U.S. authorities handled it all."

Marcus: "With Geogaddi we aimed to bring together themes of music, mathematics, and patterns in nature. Both of us believe that people should take responsibility for themselves. We wanted to show that one can celebrate life, art, and the world without necessarily attributing everything to 'God's work'. Christian art often portrays great works as creations of a higher power rather than the humans who made them. By focusing on the patterns and mathematical principles that govern the universe, Geogaddi suggests that people can celebrate freely without needing religion."

Gimme some sparkling Orange!

The irony with Marcus' quote is that God is the best explanation for Mathematical truths. Mathematical entities like numbers, sets, and equations are non-physical and abstract. They can't cause anything, but for some reason the physical universe operates mathematically. Science relies on the assumption that we live in an ordered universe that is subject to precise mathematical laws.

You add objective morality to the equation (eg. we ought not rape or torture people for fun), and I think it's fair that one could argue that the broz are trying to smuggle in some universal truths that do not support what appears to be their worldview.

I just love when the brothers get their evil on. More evil is never enough.

Inferno must be refer to some heated debates to come !

I demand an explanation for everything immediately

Davism wrote:

♄ope keeper wrote:The In a Beautiful Place Out in the Country EP features both an image of David Koresh and a reference to him in the lyrics. Geogaddi was sequenced to play at 66 minutes and 6 seconds, you have a song titled "The Devil is in the Details" and at the All Tomorrow Parties music festival, your films featured clips of people losing themselves in euphoric religious abandon. What gives with the cultish phenomena?

E: "We're interested in all kinds of subjects, and I suppose we went through a patch of looking at cults and the mass mind control of religion and so on. We read a lot and pay attention to cultural events, but we view everything from a distance. We're up here in our observation point, gathering up data about all the weird shit that's happening in the world and spewing it out in some way in our music and visuals. The Davidians thing was about the shock of seeing the way the U.S. authorities handled it all."

Marcus: "With Geogaddi we aimed to bring together themes of music, mathematics, and patterns in nature. Both of us believe that people should take responsibility for themselves. We wanted to show that one can celebrate life, art, and the world without necessarily attributing everything to 'God's work'. Christian art often portrays great works as creations of a higher power rather than the humans who made them. By focusing on the patterns and mathematical principles that govern the universe, Geogaddi suggests that people can celebrate freely without needing religion."

Gimme some sparkling Orange!

The irony with Marcus' quote is that God is the best explanation for Mathematical truths. Mathematical entities like numbers, sets, and equations are non-physical and abstract. They can't cause anything, but for some reason the physical universe operates mathematically. Science relies on the assumption that we live in an ordered universe that is subject to precise mathematical laws.

You add objective morality to the equation (eg. we ought not rape or torture people for fun), and I think it's fair that one could argue that the broz are trying to smuggle in some universal truths that do not support what appears to be their worldview.

Quite a few prominent mathematicians were theists. Leonhard Euler and Georg Cantor are good examples.

The irony with Marcus' quote is that God is the best explanation for Mathematical truths. Mathematical entities like numbers, sets, and equations are non-physical and abstract. They can't cause anything, but for some reason the physical universe operates mathematically. Science relies on the assumption that we live in an ordered universe that is subject to precise mathematical laws.

I think it's the other way around. Science and mathematics are constructs invented and refined by humans to employ in their explanations of the universe, or nature. The outward symbolic explanations we use may map accurately (or not) to natural phenomena, but maths and science utilise symbolic systems which are no more 'real' than the human constructs of 'time' or 'God'. For example, cell division does not require the concept of one, two, or mathematical operations like halving or doubling - life happens without numbers, but humans enjoy counting. (We may have started at opposite points and met in the middle)

Where this may overlap with the ideas in the discussion above is in the identification of the need to 'humanise' our situations. It is very difficult to structure our thoughts away from cause and effect when the universe just seems to appear out of nowhere and reacts to our perception of physical phenomena. We devise explanations that fit our worldview and perception of the real. The small fragments of evidence we are referring to regarding this music seem to reach towards theological principles in an attempt to highlight our intellectual and spiritual concerns about our world, but not to explain it via one belief system or another.

That's my one-fiftieth of a pound/euro/dollar anyway.

Math and music both seems to be an invention and a discovery.

God is No Thing.

DFD21 wrote:Just noticed that Introit is in 5/4.

I'm scratching my head to recall other BOC pieces in an odd time signature, but can't think of one right now.

...
Twoism: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
Amo Bishop Roden: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
In a Beautiful Place Out in the Country: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
Zoetrope: 11/8
Sunshine Recorder: 10/4
Julie and Candy: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
The Beach at Redpoint: 10/4
Alpha and Omega: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
The Devil is in the Details: 30/8
A is to B as B is to C: 9/8
Chromakey Dreamcoat: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
Peacock Tail: 7 * 4/4 = 28/4
Dayvan Cowboy: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
A Moment of Clarity: 3/1
84 Pontiac Dream: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
Oscar See Through Red Eye: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
Ataronchronon: 9/8
Slow This Bird Down: 5 * 4/4 = 20/4
Tears from the Compound Eye: 10/4
Left Side Drive: 3 * 4/4 = 12/4
Skyliner: 10 * 4/4 = 40/4
White Cyclosa: 9 * 4/4 = 36/4
Jacquard Causeway: 3/4
Telepath: 12/4
Cold Earth: 3 * 4/4 = 12/4
Transmissions Ferox: 5/8 & 9/8
Sick Times: 20 * 4/4 = 80/4
Collapse: 5/4
Palace Posy: 6 * 4/4 = 24/4
Split Your Infinities: 12 * 4/4 = 48/4
Uritual: 12/8
Nothing is Real: 3 * 4/4 = 12/4
Introit: 5/4
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