Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:57 am
This, it bugs the shit outta me.2020k wrote:I always think this is a piece of Boards of Canada apparel when I see it from a distance.zeitgeist wrote:
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:34 am
For me , its gotta be apple.
Reason : besides the snobbery that some musicians exhibit who use logic etc...on one.............well ; I just bought a samsung galaxy tab 2 tablet , because there was no way i'd go down the apple route , with its elitist , exclusive , megalomaniacal ambitions , and thickskulled approach to music files.
When i heard that apple sued samsung for making a tablet , it just beggared belief. Samsungs quote was " so basically apple can now have the monopoly on white rectangles with curved edges "
Where would we be , if every time someone made a product , no-one but the original inventor was allowed to improve upon the design ?
How would henry ford feel when he looked at a lambourghini diablo , or what about mr. Hoover if he seen a dyson machine , or the wright brothers if they seen a supersonic stealth warbird ?
Apple ?
My wife has an ipad cos she got one free for teaching her class , and i watch her use it with confusion while i whizz by on my user friendly samsung.
Reminds me of vhs vs betamax.
Another thing is the amount of accessories there are for anything with an "i" in front of it. Covers , apps , docking stations..........you'd think there were no other manufacturers.
/rant over
Reason : besides the snobbery that some musicians exhibit who use logic etc...on one.............well ; I just bought a samsung galaxy tab 2 tablet , because there was no way i'd go down the apple route , with its elitist , exclusive , megalomaniacal ambitions , and thickskulled approach to music files.
When i heard that apple sued samsung for making a tablet , it just beggared belief. Samsungs quote was " so basically apple can now have the monopoly on white rectangles with curved edges "
Where would we be , if every time someone made a product , no-one but the original inventor was allowed to improve upon the design ?
How would henry ford feel when he looked at a lambourghini diablo , or what about mr. Hoover if he seen a dyson machine , or the wright brothers if they seen a supersonic stealth warbird ?
Apple ?
My wife has an ipad cos she got one free for teaching her class , and i watch her use it with confusion while i whizz by on my user friendly samsung.
Reminds me of vhs vs betamax.
Another thing is the amount of accessories there are for anything with an "i" in front of it. Covers , apps , docking stations..........you'd think there were no other manufacturers.
/rant over
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:08 pm
My 3 year old niece can turn on and operate an iPad. My Grandmother loves her iPad, so does my Mother and my Aunt and my... Ok you get it. There is a reason why they have sold so many of these products... They work well.2ndMOUSE wrote:For me , its gotta be apple.
Reason : besides the snobbery that some musicians exhibit who use logic etc...on one.............well ; I just bought a samsung galaxy tab 2 tablet , because there was no way i'd go down the apple route , with its elitist , exclusive , megalomaniacal ambitions , and thickskulled approach to music files.
When i heard that apple sued samsung for making a tablet , it just beggared belief. Samsungs quote was " so basically apple can now have the monopoly on white rectangles with curved edges "
Where would we be , if every time someone made a product , no-one but the original inventor was allowed to improve upon the design ?
How would henry ford feel when he looked at a lambourghini diablo , or what about mr. Hoover if he seen a dyson machine , or the wright brothers if they seen a supersonic stealth warbird ?
Apple ?
My wife has an ipad cos she got one free for teaching her class , and i watch her use it with confusion while i whizz by on my user friendly samsung.
Reminds me of vhs vs betamax.
Another thing is the amount of accessories there are for anything with an "i" in front of it. Covers , apps , docking stations..........you'd think there were no other manufacturers.
/rant over
Now when it comes to Apple computers, I completely agree with you. I have owned several Macs and every single one that I have owned I have been disappointed with. They have no balls. Sure, they are pretty looking, but I would rather have an ugly ass PC that worked 100% of the time. Another thing I can't stand is going to shows and every person who plays electronic music has a fucking Macbook Pro.
Me: "So, why did you go with the Macbook?"
Performer: "Cause when the lights go down everyone can see the glowing Apple logo on stage and know that I have good hardware."
Me: "......."
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:17 pm
Agreed , for the most part anyway.
Its a case of style over substance everytime with us humans.
For this reason alone , i'll never have a mac .
People who own them seem overly concerned with their image / social standing...........not all obviously , but it seems to be very predominant.
Its a case of style over substance everytime with us humans.
For this reason alone , i'll never have a mac .
People who own them seem overly concerned with their image / social standing...........not all obviously , but it seems to be very predominant.
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:38 am
I have the exact same as 2020k, for some reason I always think of BoC as well. That's why it pisses me off.Julian Candy wrote:This, it bugs the shit outta me.2020k wrote:I always think this is a piece of Boards of Canada apparel when I see it from a distance.zeitgeist wrote:
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:30 am
2ndMOUSE wrote:Agreed , for the most part anyway.
Its a case of style over substance everytime with us humans.
For this reason alone , i'll never have a mac .
People who own them seem overly concerned with their image / social standing...........not all obviously , but it seems to be very predominant.
I agree with your sentiments 2ndMOUSE
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:14 pm
Congratulations on bringing up the most boring, pointless debate in history. Nobody is neutral when it comes to PC v Mac and 99% of arguments that are brought up are so fucking irrelevant anyway. Both have their merits and their flaws. Leave it at that shall we?
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:09 pm
Actually, I'm becoming increasingly neutral over PC vs mac and Apple vs MS.
For work I use a PC. Visual Studio is a fantastic piece of software and I think easily the best thing MS have created. Win 7 is pretty good too. At home I use an iMac. Simply because it works 100% reliably in my studio setup - something I never achieved with a PC. I like osx, but not what it has become - a dumbed down OS trying to be a tablet, something I fear Win 8 is also trying to do.
I like my technology to be designed. That's a personal thing and has nothing to do with impressing anyone else. I loved my 3rd generation iPod but I'm indifferent to the iPhone. Either way they basically stay in my pocket, out of sight.
Two things I really do hate - Apple's litigious attitude that stifles legitimate competition and only makes Apple look like spoilt bullies, and making assumptions that your choice of computing device is somehow a statement about the rest of your personality.
For work I use a PC. Visual Studio is a fantastic piece of software and I think easily the best thing MS have created. Win 7 is pretty good too. At home I use an iMac. Simply because it works 100% reliably in my studio setup - something I never achieved with a PC. I like osx, but not what it has become - a dumbed down OS trying to be a tablet, something I fear Win 8 is also trying to do.
I like my technology to be designed. That's a personal thing and has nothing to do with impressing anyone else. I loved my 3rd generation iPod but I'm indifferent to the iPhone. Either way they basically stay in my pocket, out of sight.
Two things I really do hate - Apple's litigious attitude that stifles legitimate competition and only makes Apple look like spoilt bullies, and making assumptions that your choice of computing device is somehow a statement about the rest of your personality.
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:13 pm
no anti-mac sentiment is complete without good ol homophobiavballs wrote:2ndMOUSE wrote:Agreed , for the most part anyway.
Its a case of style over substance everytime with us humans.
For this reason alone , i'll never have a mac .
People who own them seem overly concerned with their image / social standing...........not all obviously , but it seems to be very predominant.
I agree with your sentiments 2ndMOUSE
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:26 pm
I have a strong distaste for Apple (driven both by the company's questionable business behavior and the type of people that support/run it), large conglomerates of all kinds and the big name labels/publishers in the film and music industry.
I also consider the United States federal government to be some sort of company to at least some degree and have plenty criticism of it as well.
I also consider the United States federal government to be some sort of company to at least some degree and have plenty criticism of it as well.
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:23 pm
I wondered what you meant... Then I noticed the speech bubble, may it be know that I did not create this silly image and had I realised that was there I may never have posted it.Twoism-ist wrote: no anti-mac sentiment is complete without good ol homophobia
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:58 am
completely agreeThe Friendly Stranger wrote:Congratulations on bringing up the most boring, pointless debate in history. Nobody is neutral when it comes to PC v Mac and 99% of arguments that are brought up are so fucking irrelevant anyway. Both have their merits and their flaws. Leave it at that shall we?
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:06 am
Big pharma,monsanto, a lot more.
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:19 am
I try to be neutral and just see it as "to each their own", but the one thing I can never bring myself to accept are the prices. Until Apple releases an official version of their operating system that runs on regular hardware and nobody has to hackintosh their PC or pay way more than necessary for slightly dated hardware, or alternatively, gets off their high horse and starts charging in line with what the equivalent PC build costs, this debate has a place.The Friendly Stranger wrote:Congratulations on bringing up the most boring, pointless debate in history. Nobody is neutral when it comes to PC v Mac and 99% of arguments that are brought up are so fucking irrelevant anyway. Both have their merits and their flaws. Leave it at that shall we?
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:22 am
What Apple users pay for is stability and integration. By keeping a tight rein on the hardware side of things they can get, in theory, a more tightly optimised and reliable system. Of course you can get that with a PC but it takes a lot more trial and error. I was frequently having to rebuild my old PC and reinstall Windows from scratch when some hardware/software combination got out of whack. The individual components of the PC were often nominally more powerful than the mac I had at the time but getting them to work to their optimum was usually near-impossible.
Apple prices make a lot more sense if you regard it as paying to take the annoying hassle out of getting the thing working properly. For a lot of people, either not technically minded or just bored of spending all their time optimising rather than creating on a computer, that's a price worth paying. It's just a different mindset to PC owners. My dad is the opposite to me and we agree to disagree. Both have their place.
Some folks like paying for Bang and Olufsen hi-fi, which I regard as style (and price) way over substance but it doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Apple prices make a lot more sense if you regard it as paying to take the annoying hassle out of getting the thing working properly. For a lot of people, either not technically minded or just bored of spending all their time optimising rather than creating on a computer, that's a price worth paying. It's just a different mindset to PC owners. My dad is the opposite to me and we agree to disagree. Both have their place.
Some folks like paying for Bang and Olufsen hi-fi, which I regard as style (and price) way over substance but it doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:52 am
I wonder, if the concern is stability for people, why not use a GNU/Linux based OS? That's functional on just about any hardware with even less hardware and price demands and with about as much program support as OSX, much of it free or open source software that costs nothing.
I mean, I understand what you're saying and I'm not saying it's wrong or anything, but it seems to me like apple computers are kind of the "beats by Dr. Dre" of computers, nice and stylish but someone who has done their research even a little bit can get a better set of cans for the same price, or an equivalent set for less. Is the whole "not technically minded" component really something that we should be supporting here? It isn't difficult to learn the small amount of technical knowledge needed to operate a PC the same way one would operate a mac.
I mean, I understand what you're saying and I'm not saying it's wrong or anything, but it seems to me like apple computers are kind of the "beats by Dr. Dre" of computers, nice and stylish but someone who has done their research even a little bit can get a better set of cans for the same price, or an equivalent set for less. Is the whole "not technically minded" component really something that we should be supporting here? It isn't difficult to learn the small amount of technical knowledge needed to operate a PC the same way one would operate a mac.
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:27 pm
Ah, Linux. It's sadly still a long way from being understandable by anyone outside the hobbyist community. I recently played with a Raspberry Pi and found that it really was utterly impenetrable to anyone without a very thorough understanding of computing. Nothing wrong with that but it will never be adopted en masse by the general public as it stands.
It's not so much operation of the PC/mac that's the problem. It's the concept of maintenance of a consumer electronic appliance that is so alien and frightening to anyone that doesn't have electronics as a hobby or career. Taking stuff apart doesn't worry me (I grew up building stuff like computers) but I get called upon by almost everyone I know whenever their computer starts acting up. For better or worse, people are used to self-contained technology that works and don't have the time/skills/inclination to deal with it when it doesn't. These are people that struggle to use Office let alone start editing the registry.
Of course, macs aren't immune to this - I've had hard drives die on me same as any PC - but the combinations of conflicting hardware are far smaller and problems easier to diagnose.
Those "beats" headphones are really the equivalent of the Bang & Olufsen hi-fi I mentioned. They're no better than a good pair of Sennheisers and cost three times the price for a designer label. I'm certain that there are people who buy Apple stuff for the same vain misguided reason. When Sony introduced their Vaio laptops they became the Windows-based laptop to have with a high price to match when they really were offering nothing different beyond a bit of styling and a recognised name.
There are plenty of reasons I actively dislike Apple at the moment, and based on their current hardware decisions and OS, I'd think twice before automatically upgrading again. If I could get a good near-silent PC with a decent Firewire interface then I'd even consider switching back, although I'll wait to see what Windows 8 turns out like.
It's not so much operation of the PC/mac that's the problem. It's the concept of maintenance of a consumer electronic appliance that is so alien and frightening to anyone that doesn't have electronics as a hobby or career. Taking stuff apart doesn't worry me (I grew up building stuff like computers) but I get called upon by almost everyone I know whenever their computer starts acting up. For better or worse, people are used to self-contained technology that works and don't have the time/skills/inclination to deal with it when it doesn't. These are people that struggle to use Office let alone start editing the registry.
Of course, macs aren't immune to this - I've had hard drives die on me same as any PC - but the combinations of conflicting hardware are far smaller and problems easier to diagnose.
Those "beats" headphones are really the equivalent of the Bang & Olufsen hi-fi I mentioned. They're no better than a good pair of Sennheisers and cost three times the price for a designer label. I'm certain that there are people who buy Apple stuff for the same vain misguided reason. When Sony introduced their Vaio laptops they became the Windows-based laptop to have with a high price to match when they really were offering nothing different beyond a bit of styling and a recognised name.
There are plenty of reasons I actively dislike Apple at the moment, and based on their current hardware decisions and OS, I'd think twice before automatically upgrading again. If I could get a good near-silent PC with a decent Firewire interface then I'd even consider switching back, although I'll wait to see what Windows 8 turns out like.
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:10 pm
I'm with Ian on this; I don't buy the argument that we should all be using Linux or whatever and tinkering about with the workings of our computers, and that anyone who just wants the damn thing to work is some kind of Luddite.
If I buy a car, I want to be able to run it, keep the fluids topped up, change a lightbulb, change a tyre or a wiper etc... but when I need a new exhaust or gearbox, it'll go into the garage. And I certainly don't want to build it from scratch. This is how I feel about computers too.
If I buy a car, I want to be able to run it, keep the fluids topped up, change a lightbulb, change a tyre or a wiper etc... but when I need a new exhaust or gearbox, it'll go into the garage. And I certainly don't want to build it from scratch. This is how I feel about computers too.
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:48 pm
The hobbyist computing mindset made a lot more sense when you couldn't actually do a great deal with a computer (besides play games and learn Basic). I'm actually rather nostalgic for that 8-bit era and Linux feels a lot like stepping back to that. However, now that computers are genuinely useful I have no desire to use them like that.
Very good analogy with car maintenance there. Absolutely how I feel about modern computing, even when I know a lot of the techie stuff.
Very good analogy with car maintenance there. Absolutely how I feel about modern computing, even when I know a lot of the techie stuff.
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:57 pm
apple mostly. can't stand apple, not just for the trendy image and fanboy hype, but I've had terrible experiences with their products. I've given them a fair chance and they have failed me every time. also, I can't stand the north face. everyone wears a north face fleece now. and they're all black ones. like drones. a brand that I DO like however would be graveface records, simply for the fact that they gave me free candy when I ordered something from them. guess that might not be a "brand" though....