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Watching it live now. Scary stuff. I hope chyld is allright, or any twoismer living in paris.

My heart goes out to the victims.

This is worse news than most suspect. The western world, and the likes of our government in the UK, will use this as an opportunity for more war and racist, disgusting ideology. Continuing the cycle of bloodshed all over again, and redirecting people's hatred and anger at the modern world towards their fellow man.

Aerial Boundaries wrote:My heart goes out to the victims.

This is worse news than most suspect. The western world, and the likes of our government in the UK, will use this as an opportunity for more war and racist, disgusting ideology. Continuing the cycle of bloodshed all over again, and redirecting people's hatred and anger at the modern world towards their fellow man.

Agreed. Furthermore, what rational strategy, military or otherwise, can defeat a faceless, stateless enemy that uses random suicide attacks around the globe as their main tactic?

I'm disgusted yet again by how shameless people are. I wake today to a family tragedy, quickly find out there's been a violent public tragedy and very soon I am reminded of the persistent passive tragedy of media swine rushing to distort every little bit of something to get some unlucky count of people on their side...and without fail, on the "say anything about everything because you can" side of things: dumb jokes, imbecilic remarks, 'memes', people who have no idea whatsoever what it is they're talking about and of course, "please pray."

There's so much I could say about these horrid attacks but I feel less distant from everyone who won't shut up than I probably should. Just going to be mostly silent now as it's the only thing that doesn't feel grotesquely inappropriate. Same as everyone else here otherwise - concerns extended to any Parisian twoismers. Let us hear from you when you have the chance.

Aerial Boundaries wrote:My heart goes out to the victims.
This is worse news than most suspect. The western world, and the likes of our government in the UK, will use this as an opportunity for more war and racist, disgusting ideology. Continuing the cycle of bloodshed all over again, and redirecting people's hatred and anger at the modern world towards their fellow man.

Rodheh wrote:I'm disgusted yet again by how shameless people are. I wake today to a family tragedy, quickly find out there's been a violent public tragedy and very soon I am reminded of the persistent passive tragedy of media swine rushing to distort every little bit of something to get some unlucky count of people on their side...and without fail, on the "say anything about everything because you can" side of things: dumb jokes, imbecilic remarks, 'memes', people who have no idea whatsoever what it is they're talking about and of course, "please pray."

There's so much I could say about these horrid attacks but I feel less distant from everyone who won't shut up than I probably should. Just going to be mostly silent now as it's the only thing that doesn't feel grotesquely inappropriate. Same as everyone else here otherwise - concerns extended to any Parisian twoismers. Let us hear from you when you have the chance.

Wow, powerful words, but I see right in both, It's no use to talk about it, becouse if we do, the gobernment and companies, and basicall,y everything that earns money through war, will try to make profit and take advantage of words and of course people who are far from it and or childish, will take it as a joke, and just make more people angry

This is a great divorce. Most people will now either think "Kill ISIS" or "ISIS must be cool actually doing something" so congrats to whoever orchestrated this event, the mission to divide is accomplished. And it only took about 200 lives this time. As usualy, there is no doubt civilian privacy, freedom and racial equality will suffer immensly.

Passport of one of the bombers found. Training exercise in Paris as to how various authorities would respond to a terrorist attack taking place hours beforehand. The same way it has always happened. Sometimes I think they make it conspicuous to show those who look that the western world is not to be fucked with. To induce even more fear in those that tie together the obvious connections. They could take you out and make it look like a heart attack. Don't go walking your dog in the highlands any time soon.
"Look at how evil the army we created and funded and armed to scare you and to justify another profitable war are"

My condolences to all those affected by this.

Interesting that most fingers here seem to be pointing at "the west" and some sort of grand conspiracy.

I might be naive, but can't help think in that sometimes the baddies really are just the baddies....

The first confirmed British death was from my home town, vaguely recognise him too. Terribly sad.

A_Northern_Soul wrote:Interesting that most fingers here seem to be pointing at "the west" and some sort of grand conspiracy.

I might be naive, but can't help think in that sometimes the baddies really are just the baddies....

The baddies are always the baddies, but its never clear who they are. Wether it is really some pissed off muslims or a grand orwellian illusion (personally I suspect the latter), fact is people in paris will suffer martial law as government and industry are very happy to use this event to proceed their agenda. Televisial propaganda this weekend has gone through the roof, even here in the nads. People singing the french anthem, talking about unity and going the distance to protect the country, dutch natial news is saying curfews can/will be put in place in paris and pre-written conventions about the length of these states of martial law will be subjected to change. From 2 weeks to 3 months. This is the effect of two days worth of unsafety, 2 horrible days, but its nothing compared to shit constantly hitting the fan in second and third world countries. I can only imagine what will happen if these events frequent and the ball-and-chains surrounding us will do to freedom of freedom of privacy, creativity and speech, parts of human nature that are, imho, a great deal more important then safety and security.

When I was a child I could recognise when something had been greenscreened due to distinctive distorted and glowing edges and this is still true in modern greenscreening. Like in ISIS videos. I do not believe something based on conspiracy theory, but when I find things for myself it starts to get uncannily like the whole world is staged and we are the unknowing victims. Cupz is right although he may be slightly embarrassed that twoism's resident nutter is siding with him again. This will result in our freedoms being taken away. Whether ISIS are truly as they present themselves to be or not, what it means for us is the ever enclosing fact that our freedoms and right to privacy will be taken away as a result. Step by step and incident by incident. These attacks have been turned in to exaggerated media sensationalism to mask the fact that 'it is a good day to bury bad news' (a memo passed around the government here in the UK on 9/11). This all leads to one thing. This all leads to everyone being monitored constantly. This leads to children being chipped at birth by law. It all leads down one path and they aren't going to double back on themselves any time soon. I don't believe in a grand conspiracy, but I believe that we are on an inevitable course. Being anti technology is basically a taboo and all day, every day, we are told to worship it. We are told that life would not be possible for us without it. For a start we are lied to about the human life expectancy before modern technology and medicine was in place. Most humans made it in to their 60s and the average was only dragged down by infant mortality rates. Every medicine you can think of has a natural analogue that is just as, if not more effective than the chemicals manipulated by humans. I am currently successfully treating a chronic infection that was only worsened by antibiotics with garlic, why?, because allicin found in garlic is, in fact, the only potent antibiotic that has no risk of bacterial resistance (it is a known cure for mrsa) but they would never use it/ give in to it because they want to prove that the only solution is through technology. To give in to nature would be to show people that maybe the earth provided everything we ever needed. Humanities own ego will be the death of the planet. I can't drink water from the once pure streams. I would have to travel more than twenty miles to find the closest 'potable' water source. All creatures have to feed on this poison to survive now.

Woa shit. I rambled about technology again. Ignore that.

Good post.

Your posts make me even more serious than usual. I'd write my thoughts down but they'd be shadows of what they are in my mind.

its true valotonin.

once you have an experience with a natural remedy and realize its application is superior to a chemical pharmaceutical there's no turning back.

Eh, I see a preferable balance. Part of it has a lot to do with the fact that various chemicals have been made illegal to obtain and use on your own but totally fine as long as you get them through a middle man, part of it is either convenience or something else that serves as a rare good justification for altered/made-made product - getting away from using "natural" here - we're all products of the same biosphere, taking and molding what we find of natural resources and templates (obviously, there's more screwing up than getting it right). Varies a lot from substance to substance and it always bothers me whenever I see someone who takes something they don't understand even in the slightest. They don't do enough research, too often do we opt to place our trust in others.

Rodheh wrote:Eh, I see a preferable balance. Part of it has a lot to do with the fact that various chemicals have been made illegal to obtain and use on your own but totally fine as long as you get them through a middle man, part of it is either convenience or something else that serves as a rare good justification for altered/made-made product - getting away from using "natural" here - we're all products of the same biosphere, taking and molding what we find of natural resources and templates (obviously, there's more screwing up than getting it right). Varies a lot from substance to substance and it always bothers me whenever I see someone who takes something they don't understand even in the slightest. They don't do enough research, too often do we opt to place our trust in others.

Yeah for the most part I agree. I think that through alchemy and not more precise chemistry (i.e finding plants with different properties and combining extracts) it is a purer process in my eyes. I don't think humans where ever supposed to mine on a mass scale and use metals and hydrocarbons etc. But opinion is opinion.
Getting back to the original thread here. They are currently trying to use the Paris attacks to justify banning encryption and basically banning online privacy just as Cups foretold (blessed art Cupz). Another thing that has come to light is the fact they are trying to scare us with the possibility of nuclear weapons again to justify perhaps invading Syria. Very reminiscent of tony blair's 45 minute claim about Iraq's WMDs. Lies lies lies lies for $$$.

I don't buy the encryption-ban story, troubling as the passing of such law would be. Encryption is way too vital in overall internet security, not just your harddrive and personal messages but is basically what keeps cybercrime at bay. It's most likely a red herring for protesters to feel victorious about while governments pull a whole bunch of other smaller laws that didn't make the front page.

I don't buy the encryption-ban story, troubling as the passing of such law would be. Encryption is way too vital in overall internet security, not just your harddrive and personal messages but is basically what keeps cybercrime at bay. It's most likely a red herring for protesters to feel victorious about while governments pull a whole bunch of other smaller laws that didn't make the front page.

Cupz wrote:I don't buy the encryption-ban story, troubling as the passing of such law would be. Encryption is way too vital in overall internet security, not just your harddrive and personal messages but is basically what keeps cybercrime at bay. It's most likely a red herring for protesters to feel victorious about while governments pull a whole bunch of other smaller laws that didn't make the front page.

Possibly, yeah. I think the gist of the story (and I am quoting it from memory here) was that allowing ordinary civilians to use certain encryption methods was basically akin to allowing terrorism to happen. They followed to cite the Paris attacks as an example despite little to no proof on the matter. I doubt they would outright suggest banning encryption but, as you stated, they will do it little by little and (small) law by law and the story in question only sets a kind of backdrop and justification for any of these smaller laws. I may have written it as something interpret-able as 'They are suggesting banning encryption outright' which was my mistake for not providing more clarity. I actually fuck up a lot when it comes to subjects based around the internet. I am not very knowledgeable of the internet or encryption beyond PGP. I didn't have internet until around ten years ago and I left school due to illness at fourteen and haven't been in education since.

Full 26 min interview with Eagles of Death Metal about the attack at their gig.

WARNING: not only is this emotional to watch, some of the descriptions are pretty graphic. Worth listening, but quite shocking in places.