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I've noticed a recent trend with recent Warp artists (and particularly my favorites) like Bibio and OPN, that they are releasing albums that sample their own past work in a different way. OPN in particular created an "alternate past" for himself musically by taking samples from previous albums and making real cool new songs out of them. (Check out Plastic Antique and how it uses the Problem Areas riff)

BOC have strangely done this too with Treat Em Right where they repurposed Open the Light as a new riff. The Pioneer's Plaque (which is supposedly their new direction) relies on old archetypes like the turquoise hexagon and faceless people in a new context. Societas had a similar tribute with the Slave to the Rhythm/Illusion/Aquarius fusion.

Will BOC follow this trend of self nostalgia? I'm kinda speculating this might be the new album direction too

I think they've always kinda been doing that, or at least looking at older creations for inspiration.

Definitely can see them doing some self nostalgia. I can imagine them having a lot of album ideas and maybe picking a theme from their early days. Can definitely see them doing an old tunes type of album, Very loose and carefree with production and samples

They have an economy I admire

Ultimate inception

There's always been tons of cross pollination throughout their work, whether it's tracks sharing the same drums, that particular little ascending synth flurry that pops up now and again, or even tracks appearing on multiple releases.

It wouldn't surprise me if they were to continue this trend on future releases, perhaps even on a conceptual/thematic level.

Isn’t tears from the compound eye made up of samples from the rest of the songs on campfire? This could be bullshit but I remember reading about that somewhere.

Doesn't Bocpages say "Rodox Video" is an early version of "Peacock Tail"?

rodox_head wrote:Doesn't Bocpages say "Rodox Video" is an early version of "Peacock Tail"?

I mean, maybe if you really squint at it hard enough? By that same token I could say that A08 is an early version of Alpha and Omega just because they contain similar sounds. BoCPages isn't always right about direct samples either, I think it still says B05 samples Donkey Kong when that one was almost certainly just an inspiration rather than a direct sample.

That being said, there are several definite examples of sample continuity in the BoC catalog even before Treat 'em Right:
-The two "Hexagon Sun" tracks (Turquoise and its lesser-known cousin Orange) share a drum loop
-June 9th has drums that are basically the same as A08, just slowed down
-A strange bird-like sound appears in both Spectrum and Twoism (the song, not the whole album)
-"Yes, what comes with, uhh, chicken fingers?" appears in Dave (I'm A Real Traditionalist) and much quieter in A06
-Speaking of which, Seven Forty Seven seems to sample A06's main underlying choir-esque drone
-Of course there's also the famous "That tiny room on the beach..." monologue, which appears in both Sixtyniner and Sir Prancelot Brainfire

There might be some more that I missed, but you get the picture by now. If that's not enough convincing that self-sampling is a totally legit part of BoC's music making process, maybe these old interview quotes will remove any remaining doubt:

One of the BoC brothers wrote:"It was more natural for us. We always worked hard, polishing off our tracks all the time, even those that had more of a "rock" feel to them. For a month or two we would come back to the tracks, changing a sound here, adding one there. We sampled ourselves all the time, heading for a sound that was almost entirely electronic, and it was easy to take that to its logical conclusion." (Source)

Marcus wrote:There's less use of synths on this record. We've leaned heavily towards a whole 'played, taped and sampled' backdrop this time. I guess sampling for us is different from a lot of other bands, because we routinely sample ourselves rather than other records, so most of the sound generation is coming from real instruments that we played ourselves, mostly recorded with microphones, and a lot of location recording. What you hear on the record is kind of a wall of sound created by sampling as many gnarled acoustic sources we could find. (Source)

I swear there was another quote where they talked about making entire songs just to sample small one-second clips of them but can't find it right now, if anyone else could lend me a hand with that I'd very much appreciate it lmao

Ive read all the interviews a number of times and i dont recall that quote you mention, not saying it isnt there somewhere.

For me when it comes to BoC the Mandela effect is extraordinary. I often seem to recall things that never happened like i can distinctly remember a quote fron them saying "the time between Campfire Headphase and Tomorrows Harvest wont be as long as between Tomorrows Harvest and the next album". The weird thing is somebody else here seemed to recall the exact same thing! So weird!

luminousdusk wrote:Ive read all the interviews a number of times and i dont recall that quote you mention, not saying it isnt there somewhere.

For me when it comes to BoC the Mandela effect is extraordinary. I often seem to recall things that never happened like i can distinctly remember a quote fron them saying "the time between Campfire Headphase and Tomorrows Harvest wont be as long as between Tomorrows Harvest and the next album". The weird thing is somebody else here seemed to recall the exact same thing! So weird!

I remember them saying that, too. I think they even promised!

mechanismj wrote:

luminousdusk wrote:Ive read all the interviews a number of times and i dont recall that quote you mention, not saying it isnt there somewhere.

For me when it comes to BoC the Mandela effect is extraordinary. I often seem to recall things that never happened like i can distinctly remember a quote fron them saying "the time between Campfire Headphase and Tomorrows Harvest wont be as long as between Tomorrows Harvest and the next album". The weird thing is somebody else here seemed to recall the exact same thing! So weird!

I remember them saying that, too. I think they even promised!

The amount of information we are living these days, it's easy to get lost between what was actually said and what you may overheard, which may not be exactly true

Jango9 wrote:

rodox_head wrote:Doesn't Bocpages say "Rodox Video" is an early version of "Peacock Tail"?

I mean, maybe if you really squint at it hard enough? By that same token I could say that A08 is an early version of Alpha and Omega just because they contain similar sounds. BoCPages isn't always right about direct samples either, I think it still says B05 samples Donkey Kong when that one was almost certainly just an inspiration rather than a direct sample.

That being said, there are several definite examples of sample continuity in the BoC catalog even before Treat 'em Right:
-The two "Hexagon Sun" tracks (Turquoise and its lesser-known cousin Orange) share a drum loop
-June 9th has drums that are basically the same as A08, just slowed down
-A strange bird-like sound appears in both Spectrum and Twoism (the song, not the whole album)
-"Yes, what comes with, uhh, chicken fingers?" appears in Dave (I'm A Real Traditionalist) and much quieter in A06
-Speaking of which, Seven Forty Seven seems to sample A06's main underlying choir-esque drone
-Of course there's also the famous "That tiny room on the beach..." monologue, which appears in both Sixtyniner and Sir Prancelot Brainfire

There might be some more that I missed, but you get the picture by now. If that's not enough convincing that self-sampling is a totally legit part of BoC's music making process, maybe these old interview quotes will remove any remaining doubt:

One of the BoC brothers wrote:"It was more natural for us. We always worked hard, polishing off our tracks all the time, even those that had more of a "rock" feel to them. For a month or two we would come back to the tracks, changing a sound here, adding one there. We sampled ourselves all the time, heading for a sound that was almost entirely electronic, and it was easy to take that to its logical conclusion." (Source)

Marcus wrote:There's less use of synths on this record. We've leaned heavily towards a whole 'played, taped and sampled' backdrop this time. I guess sampling for us is different from a lot of other bands, because we routinely sample ourselves rather than other records, so most of the sound generation is coming from real instruments that we played ourselves, mostly recorded with microphones, and a lot of location recording. What you hear on the record is kind of a wall of sound created by sampling as many gnarled acoustic sources we could find. (Source)

I swear there was another quote where they talked about making entire songs just to sample small one-second clips of them but can't find it right now, if anyone else could lend me a hand with that I'd very much appreciate it lmao

Quality post and analysis! I had totally forgotten about all the old tunes references that show up in their released work and vice versa

Echelon wrote:Quality post and analysis! I had totally forgotten about all the old tunes references that show up in their released work and vice versa

Aye, thanks! I actually remembered a couple more examples since writing that previous post:
-XYZ uses the same snare drum as Chinook, which conveniently played with no accompaniment and makes for an easy sample to grab
-There's a Sesame Street sample of a bunch of characters saying "Fly!" in Orange Romeda which also appeared much earlier in On A Rolling Sea
-The "I Feel Proud" bit from Sesame Street seems to be another favorite of theirs, as it appears in at least 3 separate tracks (Whitewater, Sixtyten, Sunshine Recorder)
-And finally to round out the Sesame Street examples for today, there's the "I got ten fish!" speech from the Alaskan Ice Fishing episode that appears in the Dirty Great Mable remix as well as Olson V3
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVLffsRX6LE[/media]
Really if you're a big BoC fan I must recommend watching this clip at least once, it's absolutely packed to the gills with BoC-adjacent stuff. Of course there's the "Ten Fish" monologue mentioned earlier but also I'm pretty sure they sampled the sloshing water sounds from it in Aquarius and the thing that the grandpa says in the first few seconds almost certainly inspired the title of Geogaddi's opening track. If something from that segment doesn't appear somewhere on Hooper Bay when we eventually get to hear that I'll be extremely surprised (Particularly when the kid says "I live in a village called Noatak )

Maybe not the place to put this but whatever shot in the dark
Could it be argued that 1969 and Tears from the Compound Eye are strangely dichotomies of each other? I was listening to one then skipped halfway thru to the other and noticed some interesting patterns

steeldancer-x wrote:Maybe not the place to put this but whatever shot in the dark
Could it be argued that 1969 and Tears from the Compound Eye are strangely dichotomies of each other? I was listening to one then skipped halfway thru to the other and noticed some interesting patterns

Yes! Not only are the main melodies the same (ive never noticed that), 1969 and TFTCE both contain references to The Waco massacre, The latter being the compound - The Waco compound.

Nice connection!

One of the craziest finds in BOC ever made, omg, this was sitting there since 2006. Love it

Thanks guys that was totally on accident
I guess while we're taking shots, can we talk "hints" among LPs? It can seem like some aesthetics/sounds in tracks on earlier LPs are later honed in on some of the later ones.

Happy Cycling = Geogaddi
Diving Station = Campfire Headphase
Slow this Bird Down/Maquarie Ridge (having trouble pinpointing) = Tomorrow's Harvest

It could be different among individuals

^definitely slow this bird down

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