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R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2024 9:25 pm
by mGardener
Thanks to Matt's cover i found out that the guitar tracks in R35TT aren't in standard 440Hz pitch.
I've made a version of B04 with the standard pitch as an example:
Re: R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2024 5:02 pm
by luminousdusk
They are known for detuning their instruments, However I will listen to this and see how it sounds
Re: R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2024 7:02 pm
by Moz
Had a quick look, indeed a07, a10, b04 and b14 are all about quarter tone off from whole tones. Some other ones as well. They probably just tune by ear.
Re: R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2024 7:27 pm
by mGardener
Also, the tunings are:
A07: ???Hz
A10: 447Hz
B04: 447Hz
B14: 452Hz
Either A10 and B04 were made in the same recording sessions, or the bootlegger recorded the tracks wrong.
Re: R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:23 pm
by luminousdusk
The correctly tuned version is more pleasing to my ears, Either they just didn't bother tuning, Tuned by ear or the tape machines aren't speed adjusted properly.. Who knows but well spotted
Re: R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:21 pm
by babylulu
Nice job, I’d love to hear more
Re: R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:59 pm
by μasch
7Hz isn't much so my guess is that it's detune from the cassette recorder
Re: R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 6:05 pm
by dana
A lot of their music is not in a typical a440 configuration, i found this out when remixing a couple of their tracks
Re: R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:21 pm
by SmokesQuantitys
i'm fairly certain the detuned guitars on most of r35tt are down to the rip being slightly fast. not sure by how much exactly but it's definitely slightly sped up.
Re: R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:06 pm
by NTFMTS
It also is likely due to how they use tape a lot on their recordings. That's going to detune stuff
Re: R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:15 am
by Wildfire
Yeah this is almost certainly due to playback speed I think.
Re: R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:50 pm
by niski
Wildfire wrote:Yeah this is almost certainly due to playback speed I think.
then B04-B14 difference would make no sense
furthermore, for the detuning to go from 440 all the way to 452 hertz you would have the audio to be sped up by slightly bit less than 3%, which was determined not to be the case by sdoww who compared the speeds with other sources; here they are:
R35TT - Side A: 1,716 too fast
R35TT - Side B: 0,938 too fast
Re: R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:02 pm
by luminousdusk
Perhaps this tape was compiled from numerous different tapes
Re: R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:22 pm
by NTFMTS
luminousdusk wrote:Perhaps this tape was compiled from numerous different tapes
Yes this. That would still account for the detune variation. Also intentionally using tape's ability to be unreliable would cause this.
Re: R35TT Guitars Aren't In Standard 440Hz Pitch
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 10:57 pm
by Jango9
Lo and behold, from the "THINGS BOARDS OF CANADA LIKE" section of
this interview that I love to quote all the time:
Jockey Slut Magazine wrote:Things that are a little bit out of tune:: "Space Oddity" by David Bowie, "God Only Knows" by the Beach Boys, "Wonderful World" by Louis Armstrong, and "Tomorrow Never Knows" by the Beatles (Marcus:: "In modern music everything is perfect, rationalised, bland.").