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Kinski wrote:you can't reproduce such things digitaly. it's a rookie mistake. if it was so easy, people would ditch amps and analog in general and just use guitar rig and emulators. buy yourself a tape delay, you can find used ones for about the same price, and have the real deal. cheers.

or make one yourself - http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/0 ... y-mac.html

Kinski wrote:you can't reproduce such things digitaly. it's a rookie mistake. if it was so easy, people would ditch amps and analog in general and just use guitar rig and emulators. buy yourself a tape delay, you can find used ones for about the same price, and have the real deal. cheers.

nsputnik wrote:It is not the echo people are looking for, but the perfect BoB/Bibio warble sound. I have been looking into this for a while. You can't even get it with a simple vibrato effect. Vibrato has a constant and cyclical pitch modulation while tape warble is occasional decrease and then increase and then back to normal playback rate that occurs when you do not have a perfectly round pinch roller on a tape machine. I think this is why the pedal needs to record it and then play it back. I don't think this effect can be achieved in real-time.

Kinski wrote:you can't reproduce such things digitaly.

soundxplorer wrote:

Kinski wrote:you can't reproduce such things digitaly.

I love analog gear, having owned plenty of vintage and modern analog synths, including modulars. But I just picked up a new pedal - the Strymon El Capistan - it is a digital recreation of a tape echo effect, and I think it sounds excellent. It does the BOC sound quite well, emulating tape "defects" like warble, crinkle and over-bias. It also has a cool sound-on-sound looper feature. Just record a couple of loop passes of anything, then slow it down with the Time control = instant BOC 70s-vibe blurry background ambience. It's like the Instagram photo app except for sound.

the sound of analogue equpiment including EQ, changes very noticably over even a few hours due to temperature changes within a circuit.
Anyone who has tried to make tracs on a few analogue synths and make them stay in tune can tell you this,you leave a trac running for a few hours come back and think Im sure I didnt fucking write that,I must be going mental!

this affects all the components in a synth/EQ in an almost infinte amount of tiny ways.
and the amount differs from circuit to circuit depending on the design.

the interaction of different channels and their respective signals with an analogue mixer are very complex,EQ,dynamics....
any fx, analogue or digital that are plugged into it all have their own special complex characteristics and all interact with each other differently and change depending on their routing.
Nobody that ive heard of has even begun to start emulating analogue mixer circuitry in software,just the aesthetics,it will come but im sure it will be a crap half hearted effort like most pretend synth plugins are.
they should be called PST synths, P for pretend not virtual.

Every piece of outboard gear has its own sound ,reverbs,modulation effects etc
real room reverb, this in itself companies have spent decades trying to emulate and not even got close in my opinion, even the best attempts like Quantec and EMT only scratch the surface.

analogue EQ is currently impossible in theory to be emulated digitally,quite intense maths shit involed in this if youre really that interested,you could look it up...good luck.

your soundcard will always make things sound like its come from THAT soundcard..they ALL impose their different sound characteristics onto whatever comes out of them they are far from being totally neutral devices.

all the components of a circuit like resistors and capacitors subtley differ from each other depending on their quality but even the most high quality milatary spec ones are never EXACTLY the same.

no two analogue synths can ever be built exactly the same,there are tiny human/automated errors in building the circuits,tweaking the trimpots for example which is usually done manually in a lot of analogue shit.
just compare the sound of 2 808 drum machines next to each other and you will see what I mean,you always thought an 808 was an 808 right?
same goes for 303`s they all sound subltey different,different voltage scaling of the oscillator is usually quite noticable.

VST plugins are restricted by a finite number of calculations per second these factors are WAY beyond their CURRENT capability.

Then there is the question of the physicallity of the instrument this affects the way a human will emotionally interact with it and therfore affect what they will actually do with it! often overlooked from the maths heads,this is probably the biggest factor I think.
for example the smell of analogue stuff as well as the look of it puts you in a certain mental state which is very different from looking at a computer screen.

then there is analogue tape...ah this really could go on forever....

im quite drunk cant be bothered to type anymore...
so yeah,whatever, you obviously dont have to have analogue equipment to make `good` music in case thats the impression im giving,EVERYTHING has its uses .And not all anlaogue equipment is expensive you can still get bargains like old high end military audio devices,tape machines fx etc just go for the unfashionable stuff.

Richard.

nsputnik wrote:

soundxplorer wrote:Strymon El Capistan

Will it do the warble without the delay?

soundxplorer wrote:

nsputnik wrote:

soundxplorer wrote:Strymon El Capistan

Will it do the warble without the delay?

Any and all effect units that would do stuff like this are time-based. Even chorus and flange are all flavors of delay. But what you can do on the El Capistan is turn the Mix up all the way so you don't hear the dry signal, then the "Wow & Flutter" parameter is on 100% of everything coming out of the output. Then set your Delay Time to minimum (25ms for the Single Head mode). Now your signal is 25ms behind being "live" - but nothing that produces variable pitch effects can truly be "live" with zero delay. Even if it sounds like it is, there is definitely some number of milliseconds involved in producing the effect.

Pantheon wrote: That said digital delays using bucket brigade chips (the digital delay device used in almost all delay pedals) realy sound quite shit to be honnest.

Pantheon wrote:bucket brigade chips

Pantheon wrote:digital delay

Sadsic wrote:True BoC sound maker:

http://www.toneprojects.com/products/pl ... -stx-1260/

if you want anything grainy/wavy/wiggly/or generally weird sounding you can do it with this vst.