BOC and their fans

Totopatter · Post by **Totopatter** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:44 pm

I think art should be free and accessible, just like education.

Living off art has always and will always be a battle, no matter what.

Perhaps the industry shift is and will force artists to proliferate their art and come up with more innovative ways to sell it/represent it/live off it, etc.

Shadowshocker · Post by **Shadowshocker** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:59 pm

II change my mind..df

apriorion · Post by **apriorion** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:54 am

Totopatter wrote:I think art should be free and accessible, just like education.

Living off art has always and will always be a battle, no matter what.

Perhaps the industry shift is and will force artists to proliferate their art and come up with more innovative ways to sell it/represent it/live off it, etc.

Do you mean by "free and accessible" that art should be subsidized by the government? Forced public economic support (i.e., taxation) makes education available to all of us (in most Western nations, at least), for otherwise teachers would have no means to support themselves. Realistically speaking, for someone to be a professional artist, they must be financially compensated for their efforts, which, to return to your analogy, is precisely what goes on in the public education system (though this is still done quite poorly, in my view).

Totopatter · Post by **Totopatter** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:18 am

Shadowshocker wrote:II change my mind..df

oh no.. I liked your post a great deal.. and it made total sense..

Totopatter · Post by **Totopatter** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:21 am

apriorion wrote:Do you mean by "free and accessible" that art should be subsidized by the government? Forced public economic support (i.e., taxation) makes education available to all of us (in most Western nations, at least), for otherwise teachers would have no means to support themselves. Realistically speaking, for someone to be a professional artist, they must be financially compensated for their efforts, which, to return to your analogy, is precisely what goes on in the public education system (though this is still done quite poorly, in my view).

Precisely what i meant, since the arts, literature, music, festivals, museums, fashion shows, etc etc are all connected, intertwined and bear reciprocal relations in some shape or form. Arts, just like education, play a major, if not vital part in mankind's existence, development, welfare and well-being. Not surprising that the government allocates funds to support the arts and in return, renders it accessible to all (through non profit events, convergence, corporate donations, etc).. not surprising either that arts patrons such as Lloyd E. Rigler (a great man) donated part of his life and fortune to the creation or a station that would broadcast classic arts 24/7 (" in hopes of enticing viewers to attend and support museums and live performances in their own community").

One sphere has to support the other in order to make society livable for all (corporations donating money to animal shelters and 3rd world countries for tax cuts, government and funding schools, hospitals, the arts, the military, with neither clear end in sight nor sure return on investment). Alas, it all comes down to money, and if it weren't for greed, the world would be a better place. Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed.

saturdayindex · Post by **saturdayindex** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:57 pm

I suppose this thread is to account for Hungry_manweaselbeast's leaving...

novayshun · Post by **novayshun** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:00 pm

saturdayindex wrote:I suppose this thread is to account for Hungry_manweaselbeast's leaving...

i'm pretty sure he's back as Zykial

Smokes · Post by **Smokes** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:06 am

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The Voice of Reason · Post by **The Voice of Reason** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:06 pm

They owe us nothing.
If anything, the fans owe them. It seems as though so many people have downloaded the music and not paid for it.

I feel that they reason the music is so good is they do it for themselves. As soon as they start doing it for the fans, it will lose its luster.

Keep waiting.
If it happens it happens.

Vexille · Post by **Vexille** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:43 pm

Do you honestly think a fan that paid for all thephysical album copies owes them more because a deadbeat got the entire discography for free?

LOL

gtfouttahere

Stry Craty Bya · Post by **Stry Craty Bya** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:02 pm

The Voice of Reason wrote:They owe us nothing.
If anything, the fans owe them. It seems as though so many people have downloaded the music and not paid for it.

I feel that they reason the music is so good is they do it for themselves. As soon as they start doing it for the fans, it will lose its luster.

Keep waiting.
If it happens it happens.

I've purchased everything on CD. I've purchased everything digitally. I've purchased more then half of their material on Vinyl. I'm sorry, what do I owe them?

Zykial · Post by **Zykial** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:42 pm

saturdayindex wrote:I suppose this thread is to account for Hungry_manweaselbeast's leaving...

meaning?

The Voice of Reason · Post by **The Voice of Reason** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:10 pm

Vexille wrote:Do you honestly think a fan that paid for all thephysical album copies owes them more because a deadbeat got the entire discography for free?

LOL

gtfouttahere

What you wrote makes no sense.
Wouldn't you have said a fan that DIDN'T pay owed them more?

I just think all that whine because "they owe the fans" should shut the fuck up.
"I want more BOC. I want info, they don't care about us". Yet this whiner will go download the shit for free. FUCK OFF.

turquoise70 · Post by **turquoise70** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:23 pm

jesus keep it civil.

many of the whiners who are chewing their own arms off for more BoC have paid for everything of BoC's that they own. i don't think one needs to refer to how much money one fan or another has paid for their music to make a case for the "they don't really owe us anything, guys" idea, with which i personally agree.

i don't feel they owe us anything because their music is entirely volitional. there's no history anywhere in human society of musicians being obligated to feed an audience - treating musicians like they are your heroin dealer is wrong. they are artists and performers, what you get from them is a gift of sorts, not a promise of continued service. yaknow?

just because metallica chooses to tweet studio updates and create that kind of 'relationship' with 'the fans', doesn't mean another band should or must. sure, maybe it'd be cool to hear from BoC once in a while, but they're doing what they've always done - never in the past have they filled the airwaves with useless information so it's kind of not... sensible to begin expecting them to do that now. their MO has always been 'say something when there's something to say' and never before.

keep your chins up guys

saurus · Post by **saurus** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:06 pm

Another fucking brilliant post by Cole. Agreed.

It's funny that it's been mentioned that most BoC music is for family and friends, I couldn't show my music to my mum at all! I was played on Radio Wales the other day and never told my family! Horses for courses I guess.

747Music · Post by **747Music** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:10 am

turquoise70 wrote:jesus keep it civil.

many of the whiners who are chewing their own arms off for more BoC have paid for everything of BoC's that they own. i don't think one needs to refer to how much money one fan or another has paid for their music to make a case for the "they don't really owe us anything, guys" idea, with which i personally agree.

i don't feel they owe us anything because their music is entirely volitional. there's no history anywhere in human society of musicians being obligated to feed an audience - treating musicians like they are your heroin dealer is wrong. they are artists and performers, what you get from them is a gift of sorts, not a promise of continued service. yaknow?

just because metallica chooses to tweet studio updates and create that kind of 'relationship' with 'the fans', doesn't mean another band should or must. sure, maybe it'd be cool to hear from BoC once in a while, but they're doing what they've always done - never in the past have they filled the airwaves with useless information so it's kind of not... sensible to begin expecting them to do that now. their MO has always been 'say something when there's something to say' and never before.

keep your chins up guys

Very well put. Consider my chin officially up.

Vexille · Post by **Vexille** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:23 pm

The Voice of Reason wrote:
Vexille wrote:Do you honestly think a fan that paid for all thephysical album copies owes them more because a deadbeat got the entire discography for free?

LOL

gtfouttahere
What you wrote makes no sense.
Wouldn't you have said a fan that DIDN'T pay owed them more?

I just think all that whine because "they owe the fans" should shut the fuck up.
"I want more BOC. I want info, they don't care about us". Yet this whiner will go download the shit for free. FUCK OFF.

Then we're in agreement. What prompted me to say that was this:

The Voice of Reason wrote:They owe us nothing.
If anything, the fans owe them. It seems as though so many people have downloaded the music and not paid for it.

Wouldn't even call a deadbeat like that a fan, but I'm a bit cynical about that nowadays. I'm sure the overwhelming majority here do not fit into this category.

Anyways, I think that BoC never expected to get this popular. But thanks to the internet it's snowballed and they couldn't give a shit. They are the same as they've always been. People always want what they can't have. BoC ain't giving it.

brokendrum70 · Post by **brokendrum70** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:08 pm

I think they care about the fans. I think that's what's causing the new album to take so long coming out. They're individually wrapping up each CD in custom artwork and are going to visit everyone's house to say sorry it took so long and give us all a hug and then go for a pint and a game of darts.

Or maybe not.

Synthestesia · Post by **Synthestesia** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:24 pm

brokendrum70 wrote:I think they care about the fans. I think that's what's causing the new album to take so long coming out. They're individually wrapping up each CD in custom artwork and are going to visit everyone's house to say sorry it took so long and give us all a hug and then go for a pint and a game of darts.

Or maybe not.

That was a great post! Here's your trophy

Smokes · Post by **Smokes** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:43 am

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