Do you think P2P/copying will kill the music industry?

polar sky · Post by **polar sky** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:40 pm

i dont think it will. i think there will still be people like most of us wanting to buy and own music, such as vinyls. i think itunes will kill vinyl and cd manufacturers.

ExitEuXa · Post by **ExitEuXa** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:55 pm

polar sky wrote:i dont think it will. i think there will still be people like most of us wanting to buy and own music, such as vinyls. i think itunes will kill vinyl and cd manufacturers.

Well vinyl will never die, they told us that before when the cd came in the middle of the '80s and it's still here.

nny · Post by **nny** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:28 am

I think it is that the effect that either mp3 or p2p clients have on the music industry are quite obvious nowadays.
I think it has hurt the quality of new music and artists in general.
And the big artists are not the one suffering from that, the small ones are. Which makes music to the masses less interesting in general.
I think netlabel's are the future of independent music and the best place to find new challenging music.

A_Northern_Soul · Post by **A_Northern_Soul** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:57 am

I don't think it's killing the music industry. I remember years ago, the talk was "home taping is killing the music industry", and it didn't. The industry will just evolve.

just my 2p's worth.

polar sky · Post by **polar sky** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:04 pm

ExitEuXa wrote:
polar sky wrote:i dont think it will. i think there will still be people like most of us wanting to buy and own music, such as vinyls. i think itunes will kill vinyl and cd manufacturers.
Well vinyl will never die, they told us that before when the cd came in the middle of the '80s and it's still here.

I will never stop buying vinyls.

jonnyjj74 · Post by **jonnyjj74** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:28 pm

I think that P2P has helped upcoming and lower level artist gain exposure. I wouldn't have 200 of the cds I own if I hadn't downloaded it first, because there is no other way for me to hear the music. I wouldn't have my BOC cd's if I didn't download Geogaddi first. You can't just turn on the radio and hear good music you have to search for it.

ExitEuXa · Post by **ExitEuXa** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:56 pm

jonnyjj74 wrote:I think that P2P has helped upcoming and lower level artist gain exposure. I wouldn't have 200 of the cds I own if I hadn't downloaded it first, because there is no other way for me to hear the music. I wouldn't have my BOC cd's if I didn't download Geogaddi first. You can't just turn on the radio and hear good music you have to search for it.

I download music, and if i really like it i buy it, that's why i have an enormous collection of all kinds of music. I still go to my local recordstore to hear new music, so it's not the internet alone who keeps me up to date. What i don't understand is that people only download from their favourite bands and never buy anything. That doesn't kill the mainstream music industry, only the small labels who release the best music.

The Other · Post by **The Other** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:41 pm

if it werent for p2p we may not have some of the older BoC tunes. I am thankful for that. i still buy cds. vinyls, and just the other day i bought some tapes...i have also downloaded stuff...as long as there are still forward thinkers in music and people who are push the boundaries and taking chances, then the muisc industry will never die...

thedisavowed · Post by **thedisavowed** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:25 pm

Were it not for Mp3s I would not even know about Warp Records or Ninja TUne or anything like that. Nobody in the states seems to have the balls to play that stuff on the air. I'd probably still be listening to commercialized grunge and popular punk music and gangster rap to this day.

Edit: Maybe I wouldn't be listening to anything at all. That stuff has a low shelf life.

ExitEuXa · Post by **ExitEuXa** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:35 pm

thedisavowed wrote:Were it not for Mp3s I would not even know about Warp Records or Ninja TUne or anything like that. Nobody in the states seems to have the balls to play that stuff on the air. I'd probably still be listening to commercialized grunge and popular punk music and gangster rap to this day.

Edit: Maybe I wouldn't be listening to anything at all. That stuff has a low shelf life.

Well i'm older and i heard about Warp and Ninja Tune etc. in recordshops and on the radio, their where no mp3's at that time. Maybe if you live in Europe it's more easy to get in touch with new music

IanRedpoint · Post by **IanRedpoint** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:02 pm

In the UK I relied on the music press (NME, Melody Maker etc.) to keep me informed about music. That's how I first came across BoC, Aphex, even Autechre. However, in the past 5-10 years the music press has become stultifyingly dull. NME feels like it's written by and for teenagers with the attention span of a goldfish. As a result I was becoming bored with music, bored with the latest flavour of the month guitar band, fed up with hearing the same songs by the same bands day in day out...

Then somebody showed me Soulseek and Boomkat, and pointed me at a whole load of online places I didn't know about. I soon learned that a Boomkat recommendation didn't mean I'd automatically like something, so Soulseek has been invaluable in allowing me to trial a lot of stuff. I don't earn much, so I can't afford to take many chances on unheard artists. I still spend far more than I should every month on music, but now it is at least on artists that deserve it. I can probably thank illegal downloads for about two thirds of the music I buy now, and it's helped me save my money by not buying a lot of disappointing rubbish too.

Every crap album I trial and don't like means I can afford to buy one that I do. Simple as that.

thedisavowed · Post by **thedisavowed** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:44 pm

ExitEuXa wrote:
thedisavowed wrote:Were it not for Mp3s I would not even know about Warp Records or Ninja TUne or anything like that. Nobody in the states seems to have the balls to play that stuff on the air. I'd probably still be listening to commercialized grunge and popular punk music and gangster rap to this day.

Edit: Maybe I wouldn't be listening to anything at all. That stuff has a low shelf life.
Well i'm older and i heard about Warp and Ninja Tune etc. in recordshops and on the radio, their where no mp3's at that time. Maybe if you live in Europe it's more easy to get in touch with new music

I think that's a true statement. I mean, sometimes when Djs are talking you'll hear them playing Amon Tobin or something cool in the background.. but they'd never tell you what it was or anything.

Well... actually.. I guess what I said was a lie. After all, I did get introduced to Unkle in medical micro class. I think what I'm saying is that I wouldn't have gotten as exposed (and financially commited) were it not for the power of mp3s when it comes to checking out what music I want, WHEN I want to do it.

ExitEuXa · Post by **ExitEuXa** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:51 pm

IanRedpoint wrote:In the UK I relied on the music press (NME, Melody Maker etc.) to keep me informed about music. That's how I first came across BoC, Aphex, even Autechre. However, in the past 5-10 years the music press has become stultifyingly dull. NME feels like it's written by and for teenagers with the attention span of a goldfish. As a result I was becoming bored with music, bored with the latest flavour of the month guitar band, fed up with hearing the same songs by the same bands day in day out...

Then somebody showed me Soulseek and Boomkat, and pointed me at a whole load of online places I didn't know about. I soon learned that a Boomkat recommendation didn't mean I'd automatically like something, so Soulseek has been invaluable in allowing me to trial a lot of stuff. I don't earn much, so I can't afford to take many chances on unheard artists. I still spend far more than I should every month on music, but now it is at least on artists that deserve it. I can probably thank illegal downloads for about two thirds of the music I buy now, and it's helped me save my money by not buying a lot of disappointing rubbish too.

Every crap album I trial and don't like means I can afford to buy one that I do. Simple as that.

I used to check NME for many years, and i agree with you that the quality the last years is very poorly, but i still read "Wire" maybe the best music magazine ever! Wire made me discover lot's of new music, [like John Peel did btw] and so did soulseek for about 5 years already. I also spend too much money on music, but that's a choice i made in my life!!! Thanks to the internet we can have all we like in a matter of seconds, that's idd great, i also listen first before i buy music, but their's a big difference between having a real album than an MP3 one.