Old Tunes and BOC Maxima cassettes for sale on ebay

MindElevation · Post by **MindElevation** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:09 pm

seanandcandy wrote:very good
also she is a mega babe

jcotteri wrote:^dude not appropriate, this will be read

Lol what is inappropriate about that?

PlacentaSand · Post by **PlacentaSand** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:12 pm

Opothecary wrote:Happy birthday Mike.

pianoforte · Post by **pianoforte** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:15 pm

jcotteri wrote:^dude not appropriate, this will be read

lol

thepastinsidepressant · Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:18 pm

nordheim wrote:
rainier wrote:Yeah I was gonna mention weren't past auctions of these shut down? Didn't we just have that argument about that Cody kid disrepecting the bands wishes? I'm pretty sure they don't want these things on ebay.
im sure jasper johns would flail about if his work ended up on ebay too, but boc legally forfeited ownership of said materials and content upon mailing out this as a promo 15 years ago. ebay has no claim in listening to the band or label as they are 1. very old. 2. been released in other forms elsewhere. 3. legally obtained by owner. and 4. is a real, tangible item, not a mockup or fake. (versus a download or lets say a ghost or selling your soul). other cases of ebay pulling items may have been for reasons above or they may have just been pressured in some sort. mike and his wife and the brothers are probably pals right? i would be very surprised if they werent in some degree. who knows, maybe they gave their blessing.

they had it pulled in 2007, they have that counter argument so ebay has done it before.
they got their blessing to take advantage of their fans who want it at that start bid? nice! very fucking nice! i'm starting to feel sick

ZosoCon · Post by **ZosoCon** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:21 pm

Even if I were rich as hell, It would still be difficult for me to buy a cassette tape for $1500 out of principle. Wouldn't the Brothers even agree on that?

thepastinsidepressant · Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:26 pm

ZosoCon wrote:Even if I were rich as hell, It would still be difficult for me to buy a cassette tape for $1500 out of principle. Wouldn't the Brothers even agree on that?

course they would, no decent, ethically minded artist (boc i still hope) wants to see ther fans ripped off on something that was never put on sale to the public in the first place, it wasnt to be released out, end of.

i hope it gets pulled down and rightly so.

jcotteri · Post by **jcotteri** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:27 pm

seanandcandy wrote:
jcotteri wrote:^dude not appropriate, this will be read
hey i'm just saying she's a babe, i say marcus is a babe a lot and no one has any objection to that!

moot point

Mexicola · Post by **Mexicola** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:29 pm

And there in lies the conundrum. It wasn't meant to be released in the first place. ie. none of us should have it anyway. Whether we paid £1000 or £0, it's irrelevant. BOC didn't want you, or me, to have this - either via eBay, or Soulseek, Pirate Bay, or wherever else you get your copy from

PlacentaSand · Post by **PlacentaSand** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:29 pm

thats some rare shit ill tell you what tho im glad i got some new pics out of it ya herr

Opothecary · Post by **Opothecary** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:30 pm

thepastinsidepressant wrote:
ZosoCon wrote:Even if I were rich as hell, It would still be difficult for me to buy a cassette tape for $1500 out of principle. Wouldn't the Brothers even agree on that?
course they would, no decent, ethically minded artist (boc i still hope) wants to see ther fans ripped off on something that was never put on sale to the public in the first place, it wasnt to be released out, end of.

i hope it gets pulled down and rightly so.

Seems like a huge meltdown and a big assumption that BoC has somehow blessed these auctions. I somehow don't think their stance on it has changed, I'm sure they would rather be profiting from their own work rather than letting someone else do it.

jcotteri · Post by **jcotteri** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:30 pm

Oh god everybody already on their high horses.. How else can us normal folk ever get physically acquainted with their hard to find works if everyone was like this. Give us a chance

nordheim · Post by **nordheim** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:31 pm

thepastinsidepressant wrote:
nordheim wrote:
rainier wrote:Yeah I was gonna mention weren't past auctions of these shut down? Didn't we just have that argument about that Cody kid disrepecting the bands wishes? I'm pretty sure they don't want these things on ebay.
im sure jasper johns would flail about if his work ended up on ebay too, but boc legally forfeited ownership of said materials and content upon mailing out this as a promo 15 years ago. ebay has no claim in listening to the band or label as they are 1. very old. 2. been released in other forms elsewhere. 3. legally obtained by owner. and 4. is a real, tangible item, not a mockup or fake. (versus a download or lets say a ghost or selling your soul). other cases of ebay pulling items may have been for reasons above or they may have just been pressured in some sort. mike and his wife and the brothers are probably pals right? i would be very surprised if they werent in some degree. who knows, maybe they gave their blessing.
they had it pulled in 2007, they have that counter argument so ebay has done it before.
they got their blessing to take advantage of their fans who want it at that start bid? nice! very fucking nice! i'm starting to feel sick

just because its expensive and out of your and my budgets doesnt mean its taking advantage of anyone. its just allowing it be at least be apart of the marketplace. id like to point to the self inflicted $5,700 a recent 20 second long recording got... (i know it didnt actually sell for that, but my point is still valid) ebay isnt playing by the rules if they pull it. beatles demo tapes have sold at auctions, along with private letters to fans and the fans arent the ones selling. multiple points of legal transaction before... if i were the brothers and i had some pal looking to sell something rare of mine i would say "go get as much as you can, we have a lot of rich fans apparently."

i hardly think anyone at warp or boc is looking at this as an act of war. inconvenient maybe, but who cares... just an old tape weve all heard.

Opothecary · Post by **Opothecary** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:31 pm

jcotteri wrote:Oh god everybody already on their high horses.. How else can us normal folk ever get physically acquainted with their hard to find works if everyone was like this. Give us a chance

We've already had the MP3s for years and I'd rather pay the creators of the work rather than an opportunist.

jcotteri · Post by **jcotteri** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:31 pm

Mexicola wrote:And there in lies the conundrum. It wasn't meant to be released in the first place. ie. none of us should have it anyway. Whether we paid £1000 or £0, it's irrelevant. BOC didn't want you, or me, to have this - either via eBay, or Soulseek, Pirate Bay, or wherever else you get your copy from

exactly, i would find it hard to believe that you have never listened to copies or have them in digital form... You know even those on Youtube...

Mexicola · Post by **Mexicola** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:32 pm

jcotteri wrote:Oh god everybody already on their high horses.. How else can us normal folk ever get physically acquainted with their hard to find works if everyone was like this. Give us a chance

Hey, I'm not digging at you, promise.

Just pointing out that we can't be too holier-than-thou about someone selling a legit item that they were given legally, when I'd guess most of us have acquired the same item illegally via a download

jcotteri · Post by **jcotteri** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:36 pm

Opothecary wrote:
jcotteri wrote:Oh god everybody already on their high horses.. How else can us normal folk ever get physically acquainted with their hard to find works if everyone was like this. Give us a chance
We've already had the MP3s for years and I'd rather pay the creators of the work rather than an opportunist.

So if you were creative enough you could send them your hard earned dollars via paypal, i'm sure they would take it in good gratitude. Go on then

Of course I would rather buy it off them, but to choose between nothing and giving it a go on an auction website, well I know what I would choose.. I firstly avoided downloading these releases for years, for your very reasoning almost... except I didn't agree with downloading their music illegally.. or legally, what ever the loop hole is if it even exists.. As it's not an official release. I hope they don't mind

jcotteri · Post by **jcotteri** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:37 pm

Mexicola wrote:
jcotteri wrote:Oh god everybody already on their high horses.. How else can us normal folk ever get physically acquainted with their hard to find works if everyone was like this. Give us a chance
Hey, I'm not digging at you, promise.

Just pointing out that we can't be too holier-than-thou about someone selling a legit item that they were given legally, when I'd guess most of us have acquired the same item illegally via a download

Hopefully no misunderstanding, I completely agree with you.

I was referring to this and any other future post..

thepastinsidepressant wrote:
ZosoCon wrote:Even if I were rich as hell, It would still be difficult for me to buy a cassette tape for $1500 out of principle. Wouldn't the Brothers even agree on that?
course they would, no decent, ethically minded artist (boc i still hope) wants to see ther fans ripped off on something that was never put on sale to the public in the first place, it wasnt to be released out, end of.

i hope it gets pulled down and rightly so.

I must go to bed now, and read this after work.. The atomic bomb of ebay auctions..

Moebius · Post by **Moebius** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:42 pm

everythingyoudoisorange wrote:why wouldn't Lara annotate Red Moss as a potential keeper?

it's funny to see them all marked up like that when now it's like "OMG WHO WOULD WRITE ON THAT???"

Opothecary · Post by **Opothecary** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:42 pm

I am almost certain if you put it to them hypothetically, if they had to choose between either someone hearing this music for free, or some random person who was at the right place at the right time profiting from their art, they would choose for you to download it for free. Since they link to fan videos that utilize this material, us having it must be silently blessed by now.

Paypal them? Sure, but they don't publish an e-mail address much less a physical address. They don't seem like they'd be the sort of people to have Paypal accounts anyways, but if they did, I'd happily send them a couple hundred bucks for a boxset of old material with handwritten notes in a heartbeat.

StarblazerUK · Post by **StarblazerUK** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:44 pm

I wonder if she knows something we don't?
Maybe re-releases of all old material are on the way and she's clearing out the stuff worth coin to make money for their child that is due....