Isn't it silly Warp hasn't digitally released it yet?

thedisavowed · Post by **thedisavowed** » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:14 pm

As badly as I want to download those rips - I'm waiting. Feel like I need a purity ring or something. Ugggggg.

kidfortoday70 · Post by **kidfortoday70** » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:16 pm

I downloaded the rip of the album but I'm not really listening to them...gonna wait for the album to arrive on Tuesday.

d e n · Post by **d e n** » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:20 pm

anyone know if one pre-orders the album with a US itunes account in Europe will the album be available on the 10th?

ArbitersGround · Post by **ArbitersGround** » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:21 pm

I've thought about downloading the stream rip (I've already bought the vinyl), but would it be a lower quality for listening than CD?

I don't know much about that sort of thing.

Quillz · Post by **Quillz** » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:24 pm

ArbitersGround wrote:I've thought about downloading the stream rip (I've already bought the vinyl), but would it be a lower quality for listening than CD?

I don't know much about that sort of thing.

The stream was likely a much lower quality to keep bandwidth down, probably no better than 160 kbps. (I'm guessing it was 128 kbps.) A CD/vinyl release after being ripped will likely be at least 256 kbps, more likely 320 kbps. So, the quality will be twice as good.

iTunes uses 256 kbps AAC, which is a smaller file size than MP3 while retaining the same quality, so it's essentially equivalent to 320 kbps MP3.

The rips that are floating around are 320, but given some of the other things I've noticed about them, leads me to believe it's not an actual album rip, but rather someone recorded the stream and then upscaled the entire thing.

MindElevation · Post by **MindElevation** » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:24 pm

ArbitersGround wrote:I've thought about downloading the stream rip (I've already bought the vinyl), but would it be a lower quality for listening than CD?

I don't know much about that sort of thing.

The stream rip was noticeably lower quality than the Japanese Itunes version I have.

Quillz · Post by **Quillz** » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:27 pm

Streams are rarely high quality due to both bandwidth concerns and the fact that it's a marketing tool: you're not going to broadcast a stream as high quality as the album, where's the incentive?

bdzz · Post by **bdzz** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:20 am

Just can't believe how shortsighted Warp is...

I do understand that big labels are stupid. But that one week long
release schedule just doesn't make sense. There is no rational explanation for that.

Same day worldwide release. That's what I want...

bluesky · Post by **Fredd-E** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:25 am

Quillz wrote:
ArbitersGround wrote:I've thought about downloading the stream rip (I've already bought the vinyl), but would it be a lower quality for listening than CD?

I don't know much about that sort of thing.
The stream was likely a much lower quality to keep bandwidth down, probably no better than 160 kbps. (I'm guessing it was 128 kbps.) A CD/vinyl release after being ripped will likely be at least 256 kbps, more likely 320 kbps. So, the quality will be twice as good.

iTunes uses 256 kbps AAC, which is a smaller file size than MP3 while retaining the same quality, so it's essentially equivalent to 320 kbps MP3.

The rips that are floating around are 320, but given some of the other things I've noticed about them, leads me to believe it's not an actual album rip, but rather someone recorded the stream and then upscaled the entire thing.

The original stream source was VBR encoded, starting from approx 220 kbps all the way up to 300kbps @ 48khz.

Moloch · Post by **Moloch** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:28 am

What does "mastered for itunes mean"? (sorry if I'm off-topic)

bluesky · Post by **Fredd-E** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:32 am

Moloch wrote:What does "mastered for itunes mean"? (sorry if I'm off-topic)

http://bit.ly/11XAHBJ

chorus · Post by **chorus** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:33 am

I really don't get why they haven't released the digital tracks after they streamed the album. I really appreciate what they did, the waiting has been unbearable, but they must have known a leak was bound to happen by doing this.

Instead t'internet is now being infested with half decent stream rips in 70-90% quality from Monday night. Could easily been prevented by releasing the digital tracks for sale or at least downloading for pre-orders.

bluesky · Post by **Fredd-E** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:42 am

chorus wrote:I really don't get why they haven't released the digital tracks after they streamed the album.

My 70 cents: contract limitations imposed by iTunes, Amazon, Google Play... perhaps they have the privilege to distribute it first.

Quillz · Post by **Quillz** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:44 am

chorus wrote:I really don't get why they haven't released the digital tracks after they streamed the album. I really appreciate what they did, the waiting has been unbearable, but they must have known a leak was bound to happen by doing this.

Instead t'internet is now being infested with half decent stream rips in 70-90% quality from Monday night. Could easily been prevented by releasing the digital tracks for sale or at least downloading for pre-orders.

Not at this point. Now the Japanese release is everywhere, which means the rips that you can easily get now are finally the real deal.

Again, a release on iTunes likely could have curbed a lot of this.

chorus · Post by **chorus** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:48 am

Fredd-E wrote:
chorus wrote:I really don't get why they haven't released the digital tracks after they streamed the album.
My 70 cents: contract limitations imposed by iTunes, Amazon, Google Play... perhaps they have the privilege to distribute it first.

Could very well be the case, makes sense. But then from a commercial perspective, I don't understand why they did the stream.

Quillz · Post by **Quillz** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:53 am

chorus wrote:
Fredd-E wrote:
chorus wrote:I really don't get why they haven't released the digital tracks after they streamed the album.
My 70 cents: contract limitations imposed by iTunes, Amazon, Google Play... perhaps they have the privilege to distribute it first.
Could very well be the case, makes sense. But then from a commercial perspective, I don't understand why they did the stream.

To keep the hype train going.

bluesky · Post by **Fredd-E** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:54 am

chorus wrote:
Fredd-E wrote:
chorus wrote:I really don't get why they haven't released the digital tracks after they streamed the album.
My 70 cents: contract limitations imposed by iTunes, Amazon, Google Play... perhaps they have the privilege to distribute it first.
Could very well be the case, makes sense. But then from a commercial perspective, I don't understand why they did the stream.

See Daft Punk. That's pure viral marketing bliss in a couple of ways:

1) the Facebook event about the stream which everyone shared = major publicity

2) by having a stream in good quality you give people a legal way to listen to the album in advance before ordering; else they would rely on an illegal download and perhaps not buy the album anymore afterwards

3) people like to do as little effort as possible with the max gain; such a stream was really easy for everyone to get a good idea about the album... instant lazy win in publicity

seanandcandy · Post by **seanandcandy** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:54 am

The stream rip was noticeably lower quality than the Japanese Itunes version I have.

bluesky · Post by **Fredd-E** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:55 am

seanandcandy wrote:
The stream rip was noticeably lower quality than the Japanese Itunes version I have.

But the stream source was VBR 220kbps->300kbps @ 48khz.

seanandcandy · Post by **seanandcandy** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:14 am

Fredd-E wrote:
seanandcandy wrote:
The stream rip was noticeably lower quality than the Japanese Itunes version I have.
But the stream source was VBR 220kbps->300kbps @ 48khz.

mmm on paper, but you hear it fred......you hear it and its just DIFFERENT