10. Palace Posy (4:05)

Techboy · Post by **Techboy** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:43 am

This track has really been a grower for me. At first I was like ... well, I just really didn't feel it at all. But now I am all over that shit like a rash. Multiplying the waveform by a 14700Hz sine function isolates the drums very nicely (science!) and it is clear that there is some great live drumming, on both what sounds like kit toms and some small hand drums.

ryetronics · Post by **ryetronics** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:54 am

Techboy wrote:This track has really been a grower for me. At first I was like ... well, I just really didn't feel it at all. But now I am all over that shit like a rash. Multiplying the waveform by a 14700Hz sine function isolates the drums very nicely (science!) and it is clear that there is some great live drumming, on both what sounds like kit toms and some small hand drums.

Any chance you could upload that? Sounds incredible.

tiny sparrow · Post by **tiny sparrow** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:13 am

ryetronics wrote:
Techboy wrote:This track has really been a grower for me. At first I was like ... well, I just really didn't feel it at all. But now I am all over that shit like a rash. Multiplying the waveform by a 14700Hz sine function isolates the drums very nicely (science!) and it is clear that there is some great live drumming, on both what sounds like kit toms and some small hand drums.
Any chance you could upload that? Sounds incredible.

Seconded.

Techboy · Post by **Techboy** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:32 am

I guess. Mods can feel free to remove this if they feel it is somehow wrong. Great for anybody's sample collection!
http://hosting.earthshine.it/~mark/posydrums.mp3

El Camino · Post by **El Camino** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:05 am

This song is a great tension release in the album, really grown on me.

d e n · Post by **d e n** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:01 am

this track is so tribal. classic boc.

i think it makes the album... placed perfectly, essential to the overall dynamic.

lankydoom · Post by **lankydoom** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:44 am

Well it may be post #1 for me here, I have always read from the outside. Massive Boards fanatic and yeah blah blah.

BUT i just had to join as my theory on this song I really wanted to share.

I love this song.

My theory is this - A posy is not just a arrangement of flowers according to many dictionaries I scoured. It is also archaic A brief verse or sentimental phrase, especially found on a trinket or a ring for example. This is a alteration of poesy - which is archaic for poetry.

Archaic can mean belonging to or characteristic of a much earlier period; ancient árkhein, "to rule", "to lead", this from the noun ὰρχή, arkhē, "beginning", "authority", "principle"). Adjectively it can mean old, ancient, antique, primitive, bygone, olden

What does all of this mean?! Well...

Palace Posy is like a archaic landscape, a time now gone. A ancient palace if you are following what i mean. The song does have that tribal quality to it as a lot of people have posted. The vocal sample is very resounding of tribal melody as is the beat and rhythm. The anagram being apocalypse is really cool as after said apocalypse you would be left with a barren landscape, similar to how civilisation began in the first place... With nothing. Begin with the land, and end with the land.

Maybe the song as per the above meanings is a poetic commentary on ancient civilisation and how post apocalypse we would revert to being an ancient civilisation again. Just a barren landscape, nothing. It kinda fits with the idea that collapse falls before it in the normal flow of the tracks on the album.

I could be very wrong, but it is fun to theorise. Thoughts?

chemical_si · Post by **chemical_si** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:44 pm

The lyrics to me sound like 'Here comes the tears of...' repeated 4 times. Also, at the end of each chorus I keep hearing the word Elephant, although I think this is more of a comical hearing than what it's actually saying

ganzlin · Post by **ganzlin** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:29 am

Great track. Still feel like it is BoC's most 'pop music' song ever though, and is an interesting, but odd, standout for this album.

Negamuse · Post by **Negamuse** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:34 pm

Someone on Reddit just noticed this:

Dunno, but maybe with a little mangling/chopping up.

WeHadNormality · Post by **WeHadNormality** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:41 pm

Techboy wrote:I guess. Mods can feel free to remove this if they feel it is somehow wrong. Great for anybody's sample collection!
http://hosting.earthshine.it/~mark/posydrums.mp3

Nice!

Yeah That's Right · Post by **Yeah That's Right** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:01 pm

lankydoom wrote:Well it may be post #1 for me here, I have always read from the outside. Massive Boards fanatic and yeah blah blah.

BUT i just had to join as my theory on this song I really wanted to share.

I love this song.

My theory is this - A posy is not just a arrangement of flowers according to many dictionaries I scoured. It is also archaic A brief verse or sentimental phrase, especially found on a trinket or a ring for example. This is a alteration of poesy - which is archaic for poetry.

Archaic can mean belonging to or characteristic of a much earlier period; ancient árkhein, "to rule", "to lead", this from the noun ὰρχή, arkhē, "beginning", "authority", "principle"). Adjectively it can mean old, ancient, antique, primitive, bygone, olden

What does all of this mean?! Well...

Palace Posy is like a archaic landscape, a time now gone. A ancient palace if you are following what i mean. The song does have that tribal quality to it as a lot of people have posted. The vocal sample is very resounding of tribal melody as is the beat and rhythm. The anagram being apocalypse is really cool as after said apocalypse you would be left with a barren landscape, similar to how civilisation began in the first place... With nothing. Begin with the land, and end with the land.

Maybe the song as per the above meanings is a poetic commentary on ancient civilisation and how post apocalypse we would revert to being an ancient civilisation again. Just a barren landscape, nothing. It kinda fits with the idea that collapse falls before it in the normal flow of the tracks on the album.

I could be very wrong, but it is fun to theorise. Thoughts?

An interesting in-depth analysis... I think you might be onto something but maybe you're looking into it a bit much. I see the track title as referring to a societal tendency to revert to faith and religion in dire times or after a disaster to try and find resolve. 'Palace Posy' sounds like making an offering (e.g. a posy on a pedestal of a sacred palace) to a god or higher being. I don't think the track name is to be taken literally but refers to the tendency to revert to an archaic ritual when at a complete loss, which makes sense considering the 'tribal' feel you pointed out.

aperture · Post by **aperture** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:01 pm

lankydoom wrote:Maybe the song as per the above meanings is a poetic commentary on ancient civilisation and how post apocalypse we would revert to being an ancient civilisation again. Just a barren landscape, nothing. It kinda fits with the idea that collapse falls before it in the normal flow of the tracks on the album.

I could be very wrong, but it is fun to theorise. Thoughts?

It's a lot of fun:) I keep coming back to the the origin of palace:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatine_Hill

I think there's always going to be a high ground for the fortunate to defend, and this might be a commentary on that. A picture in the album art seems to show the road onward and upward.

Negamuse · Post by **Negamuse** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:04 pm

MrMessiah wrote:Someone on Reddit just noticed this:

Dunno, but maybe with a little mangling/chopping up.

OK, I gave this a go at seeing if I could mangle the ident into the line from the track.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0Spo0v ... sp=sharing

I'm sure in the hands of someone who can work a sampler it's possible to get it sounding closer.

superuser · Post by **superuser** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:08 pm

MrMessiah wrote:
MrMessiah wrote:Someone on Reddit just noticed this:

Dunno, but maybe with a little mangling/chopping up.
OK, I gave this a go at seeing if I could mangle the ident into the line from the track.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0Spo0v ... sp=sharing

I'm sure in the hands of someone who can work a sampler it's possible to get it sounding closer.

good work, very very similar not to mention this would be exactly the type of thing they would sample

Polaris · Post by **Polaris** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:34 pm

MrMessiah wrote:Someone on Reddit just noticed this:

Dunno, but maybe with a little mangling/chopping up.

Nice! Sounds like the exact soource. Can you post a link to the source of this finding on Reddit?

Negamuse · Post by **Negamuse** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:35 pm

Polaris wrote:
MrMessiah wrote:Someone on Reddit just noticed this:

Dunno, but maybe with a little mangling/chopping up.
Nice! Sounds like the exact soource. Can you post a link to the source of this finding on Reddit?

Sure:

Compound Candy · Post by **Compound Candy** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:36 pm

So in the end the voice says "11"! Great find!

Aerial Boundaries · Post by **Aerial Boundaries** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:38 pm

Does anyone else hear a sound incredibly similar to the 'Pool table' sound from Turquoise Hexagon Sun in the drums here?

rainier · Post by **rainier** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:10 pm

That sample also sounds a little like part of "Peace, Tony, Devil". Then again it was the 70s and a lot of shit sounded like that.