15. New Seeds (5:39)

rainier · Post by **rainier** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:56 am

jonsedar wrote:Love the track but what has me slightly disturbed is the Cosecha transmission tucked in there at the end...

Cosecha meaning harvest right? As in - even these New Seeds will be harvested in time, and will also Come To Dust. No hope, only cycles in time.

how do you get "no hope" from that? Things moving in cycles doesn't seem hopeless to me. That's just the way shit works, it's pretty amazing I think.

jonsedar · Post by **jonsedar** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:29 pm

Guess I'm feeling quite nihilistic these days, and TH is playing massively to that. Not that one can't have hope - but more like hope is ultimately meaningless - nothing is real.

rainier · Post by **rainier** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:48 pm

I know what you mean. I don't know if things have inherent meaning, but I also feel like if you behave as if they do it amounts to the same thing. We create the meaning, you know?

I felt the same way when I first heard this album, but my thoughts on it are evolving the more I listen. I feel a major entropy and destruction theme on this album, but parts of it also bring to mind the things worth saving.

Everything will fall apart and be built back up again and then eventually collapse again. As kurt vonnegut said "so it goes". In the meantime we just have to try and make the best world we can knowing how things are.

jonsedar · Post by **jonsedar** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:16 pm

Agreed on making the meaning. It also strikes me that to be able to sit and contemplate on this music is an incredible luxury; if all we are is self-aware hydrogen, then it's a pleasure to be so.

Fireal420 · Post by **Fireal420** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:49 pm

rainier wrote:
jonsedar wrote:Love the track but what has me slightly disturbed is the Cosecha transmission tucked in there at the end...

Cosecha meaning harvest right? As in - even these New Seeds will be harvested in time, and will also Come To Dust. No hope, only cycles in time.
how do you get "no hope" from that? Things moving in cycles doesn't seem hopeless to me. That's just the way shit works, it's pretty amazing I think.

i just came into this thread to point that out. i wasnt sure if anyone else noticed that the cosecha transmissions loop was at the end of the track..

actually. i dont think its just at the end of the track. i think it is playing throughout the entire song, but the drums and the rest of the music "covers" it up a bit.

new seeds is such an incredible track. musically it doesnt have many similarities, but there is something about this track that takes me to the same type of place that the song amo bishop roden takes me.

thepastinsidepressant · Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:33 pm

a few times during New Seeds i can hear what sounds like if you opened a sack of seeds and poured them out, perhaps 4 times i hear it, that sound of seeds flowing. anyone hear this?

Torn n Frayed · Post by **Torn n Frayed** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:36 pm

thepastinsidepressant wrote:a few times during New Seeds i can hear what sounds like if you opened a sack of seeds and poured them out, perhaps 4 times i hear it, that sound of seeds flowing. anyone hear this?

Yes! I thought I was hearing things but it's in there mixed in with the beat.

armotron · Post by **armotron** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:44 am

Fireal420 wrote:
actually. i dont think its just at the end of the track. i think it is playing throughout the entire song, but the drums and the rest of the music "covers" it up a bit.

nah mate, the 1986 Summer Fire-like synth starts at 3:50 and the Cosecha signal doesn't start until around 5:00, amongst other bits... i think people are confusing the two as they're in the same octave, in fact the whole track is; this where you're probably getting confused.

Fireal420 · Post by **Fireal420** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:07 am

armotron wrote:
Fireal420 wrote:
actually. i dont think its just at the end of the track. i think it is playing throughout the entire song, but the drums and the rest of the music "covers" it up a bit.

nah mate, the 1986 Summer Fire-like synth starts at 3:50 and the Cosecha signal doesn't start until around 5:00, amongst other bits... i think people are confusing the two as they're in the same octave, in fact the whole track is; this where you're probably getting confused.

i personally, never noticed the cosecha transmissions sample in the background of the track, the only time i notice it is at the end of the track

i was just assuming it might be playing throughout the entire track, but pushed back into the mix. but now that you said what you did. i will go with your theory and say that its only at the end.

purgruv · Post by **purgruv** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:44 pm

Anyone hear that fuzz noise over in the left channel, starts around the 1:50 mark on and off, then is continuously swelling at 3:45 til its there all the time… until fade.

EDIT : also, it would appear that quite a few of the beat sounds are actually beat-boxed, aka you can hear that's it's produced with the mouth!

herxagernsurn · Post by **herxagernsurn** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:14 pm

Part of me wants to say that is track is really the last track on the record. It wouldn't be in keeping with their usual more ambient fade out "obviously the last track" kind of track but given all of the speculation about there being an alternative, intended track order, I think its possible. There also might be multiple intended track orders and it might just be that I really want this track to be the last track. It's a little lighter than Semena Mertvrghgjklasdfqwerty.

aperture · Post by **aperture** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:22 pm

I keep hearing the transmission 'horn' as heralding the dawn.

re-phaelam-ed · Post by **re-phaelam-ed** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:05 pm

the more i listen...the more my ears tell me this track is mashed up guitar and mashed up bass.

mc10101 · Post by **mc10101** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:43 pm

Whoa! Anyone else hearing the BASS in24 bit?? It's coming from underneath the floor...

re-phaelam-ed · Post by **re-phaelam-ed** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:56 pm

mc10101 wrote:Whoa! Anyone else hearing the BASS in24 bit?? It's coming from underneath the floor...

warning dude....do not use the term 24bit...it angers some people in the forums.
just savor it for yourself.

mc10101 · Post by **mc10101** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:27 pm

re-phaelam-ed wrote:
mc10101 wrote:Whoa! Anyone else hearing the BASS in24 bit?? It's coming from underneath the floor...
warning dude....do not use the term 24bit...it angers some people in the forums.
just savor it for yourself.

Cool. No audiophilisms here no problem. Sounds 'kin amazing tho

jonsedar · Post by **jonsedar** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:35 pm

mc10101 wrote:Cool. No audiophilisms here no problem. Sounds 'kin amazing tho

While also staying away from 16 vs 24bit, I will say that this album just reveals so so much more texture and detail in lossless format - it's like an entirely different beast!

Thinking I might have to re-rip my old BOC CDs in WAV and be dammed with the additional hard drive space they take

FernieCanto · Post by **FernieCanto** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:09 am

jonsedar wrote:Thinking I might have to re-rip my old BOC CDs in WAV and be dammed with the additional hard drive space they take

Use FLAC, though. There's no quality loss, and you save a bit of space.

Opothecary · Post by **Opothecary** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:11 am

jonsedar wrote:
mc10101 wrote:Cool. No audiophilisms here no problem. Sounds 'kin amazing tho
While also staying away from 16 vs 24bit, I will say that this album just reveals so so much more texture and detail in lossless format - it's like an entirely different beast!

Thinking I might have to re-rip my old BOC CDs in WAV and be dammed with the additional hard drive space they take

Yeah, this has made me reconsider my current V0 rips for most of their catalog, which sound nice and all, but there is a profound difference between TH in V0 and 320 for sure, FLAC aside.

I guess it's a sad state of affairs that I rarely listen to my physical copies of the back catalog - I guess I've slowly slid into the homogeny/convenience of relying on digital formats for most of my music consumption. It does not help that both my Geogaddi and TCH both ended up with small scratches that lead to a track skipping on each one, so they sort of sit on the shelf, seen but never heard. I am pretty good about being respectful to physical media, but if I recall they were both freak occurrences from my younger, more stoned years!

That being said, somehow I have probably listened to TH on CD more often than I ever did TCH. It's very important to me, for some reason, that I experience this album in the best possible quality.

WorkerAtThePosyPalace · Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:42 am

I may be wrong and just have a bad brain, but for some reason I remember in an interview(don't remember from what network),　one of the brothers mentioned that the title "New Seeds", is not refering to actual seeds. I may be wrong so don't qoute me on that.