03. White Cyclosa (3:13)

mesa_lab · Post by **mesa_lab** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:23 am

Hi everyone. I'm new. I just had to join to discuss some of Tomorrow's Harvest!

Could White Cyclosa be related to Split Your Infinities?

If you watch the video (below) where they took the background monologue in Split Your Infinities from (or read about FEMA Camp conspiracy theories) the theme of helicopters comes up a lot. This includes the possibility that the government will use them to transport people to the camps in the event of martial law or a major disease outbreak. Maybe this is the point in the album's 'plot' in which the government has begun to intern people at these camps due to disease outbreak (because of other song titles i.e. "Sick Times", "Cold Earth", and "Come to Dust"). Gemini, as the first track, was maybe the name of the disease created by the government to diminish the population and give a front for why citizens must report for relocation to FEMA camps via helicopter.

White Cyclosa is a spider that sets up decoys or scapegoats of in its likeness to draw attention away from itself and successfully kill, just as the government might set up scapegoats of "terrorism", "disease outbreak", or other instances to sustain its survival in the face of threat.

Well, I'm just throwing all my ideas out related to this song as I think about their interview where they said there might be a plot and we want listeners to figure out what's happening in the album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... P-hvPJPTi4

Radiobuzz · Post by **Radiobuzz** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:41 am

^When they talk about figuring it out they're definitely not talking about a literal plot, sorry. But welcome!

purgruv · Post by **purgruv** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:35 am

If you take on the idea that the album is intended as a film soundtrack then discerning the plot is essential.

herxagernsurn · Post by **herxagernsurn** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:13 pm

mesa_lab wrote:Hi everyone. I'm new. I just had to join to discuss some of Tomorrow's Harvest!

Could White Cyclosa be related to Split Your Infinities?

If you watch the video (below) where they took the background monologue in Split Your Infinities from (or read about FEMA Camp conspiracy theories) the theme of helicopters comes up a lot. This includes the possibility that the government will use them to transport people to the camps in the event of martial law or a major disease outbreak. Maybe this is the point in the album's 'plot' in which the government has begun to intern people at these camps due to disease outbreak (because of other song titles i.e. "Sick Times", "Cold Earth", and "Come to Dust"). Gemini, as the first track, was maybe the name of the disease created by the government to diminish the population and give a front for why citizens must report for relocation to FEMA camps via helicopter.

White Cyclosa is a spider that sets up decoys or scapegoats of in its likeness to draw attention away from itself and successfully kill, just as the government might set up scapegoats of "terrorism", "disease outbreak", or other instances to sustain its survival in the face of threat.

Well, I'm just throwing all my ideas out related to this song as I think about their interview where they said there might be a plot and we want listeners to figure out what's happening in the album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... P-hvPJPTi4

I think the bass / bass drum or whatever at the end of White Cyclosa is eerily similar to the drums in Split Your Infinities and I think there might be a connection indeed. Thematically for sure. I am still on the fence about whether this record was intended to be mixed and re/deconstructed the way some are suggesting. Changing the order of tracks perhaps but beyond that seems a little weird to me.

mesa_lab · Post by **mesa_lab** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:29 pm

herxagernsurn wrote:
I think the bass / bass drum or whatever at the end of White Cyclosa is eerily similar to the drums in Split Your Infinities and I think there might be a connection indeed. Thematically for sure. I am still on the fence about whether this record was intended to be mixed and re/deconstructed the way some are suggesting. Changing the order of tracks perhaps but beyond that seems a little weird to me.

I just got very hung up on the idea of a plot after reading their quotes about being inspired by 70s/80s horror film soundtracks. No doubt, White Cyclosa sounds like it comes directly from the tracklist of "Halloween" or "The Exorcist."

I agree that the deconstruction could be taken too far with his, I just couldn't help seeing at connection between White Cyclosa and Split Your Infinities because of the helicopter/FEMA Camp stuff

Moz · Post by **Moz** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:34 pm

The beat that starts near the end is so dark.

BrunchTime · Post by **BrunchTime** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:28 pm

There might be helicopters in the FEMA camp video, but the helicopter in white cyclosa sounds really big, not like the black helicopters associated with government spooks

Canadia · Post by **Canadia** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:57 pm

"Twice Shy Cola"

triangle folds · Post by **triangle folds** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:21 pm

Day of the Dead (1985) Soundtrack - The Dead Suite

mc10101 · Post by **mc10101** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:14 pm

triangle folds wrote:Day of the Dead (1985) Soundtrack - The Dead Suite

Soooooooo THIS!!!

miklatov · Post by **miklatov** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:55 pm

mc10101 wrote:
triangle folds wrote:Day of the Dead (1985) Soundtrack - The Dead Suite

Soooooooo THIS!!!

Indeed! When I first heard the track, I had a nagging feeling that I'd heard it before. Then when the 'tune' came in, it hit me - Day of the Dead!

Basefree · Post by **Basefree** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:17 pm

I'm quite disappointed by how directly they seem to have copied things for the album, to be honest. Are Semena Mertvykh and this the only ones? I mean, I understand it's most likely done out of respect towards the original composers, but I'm one of those people who can't help thinking how lazy Tomorrow's Harvest sounds at places, already without knowing how much of it was borrowed from elsewhere.

seanandcandy · Post by **seanandcandy** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:17 am

Basefree wrote:borrowed from elsewhere.

welcome 2 music

Lens Larque · Post by **Lens Larque** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:30 am

Basefree wrote:I'm quite disappointed by how directly they seem to have copied things for the album, to be honest. Are Semena Mertvykh and this the only ones? I mean, I understand it's most likely done out of respect towards the original composers, but I'm one of those people who can't help thinking how lazy Tomorrow's Harvest sounds at places, already without knowing how much of it was borrowed from elsewhere.

Basefree · Post by **Basefree** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:14 pm

Lens Larque wrote:

Which track was this used in? Can't seem to recognize it.

FernieCanto · Post by **FernieCanto** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:53 pm

Hey, I always noticed a faint similarity between Telepath and Live to Tell, but I thought that was so far fetched that I thought it wasn't even worth mentioning. Funny to realise I wasn't far from the truth at all.

But I don't bother at all with those "borrowed" bits, after all, Everything Is a Remix. And BoC have been very open about that on the interviews, and their borrowings are always somehow twisted to maintain their mark.

Basefree · Post by **Basefree** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:20 pm

FernieCanto wrote:But I don't bother at all with those "borrowed" bits, after all, Everything Is a Remix. And BoC have been very open about that on the interviews, and their borrowings are always somehow twisted to maintain their mark.

I do like the album a lot and think any possible borrowings are put to good use, but still, it takes some originality away from the work that I at first credited solely to them.

For example, what is Telepath then, after all? Just the borrowed melody with some pretty straight forward radio speech laid on it. No special twists, except for the 666 thing which is quite worn out and predictable. I like the track, but I feel it doesn't offer much to explore, hence the laziness.

Lens Larque · Post by **Lens Larque** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:21 pm

Basefree wrote:
Lens Larque wrote:
Which track was this used in? Can't seem to recognize it.

That was just a fancy scene if anyone was interested in the feel of the film.

Still, Telepath is just about my favorite moment on the album, though I was stopped short after learning about this OST. And this method, it is alluded to the album--the Day of the Dead track is right after a track titled "Reach for the Dead".

Basefree · Post by **Basefree** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:38 pm

Lens Larque wrote:
Basefree wrote:
Lens Larque wrote:
Which track was this used in? Can't seem to recognize it.
That was just a fancy scene if anyone was interested in the feel of the film.

Still, Telepath is just about my favorite moment on the album, though I was stopped short after learning about this OST. And this method, it is alluded to the album--the Day of the Dead track is right after a track titled "Reach for the Dead".

Oh okay. I was already looking for a similar melody in Come to Dust and Split Your Infinities, hah.

Do you know what the track is that plays in the opening sequence?

Lens Larque · Post by **Lens Larque** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:57 pm

It's the track from the opening credits. But I don't know the composer or the title.