Isn't it high time that electronic music...

GH · Post by GH » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:04 am

..stopped getting lumped in with dance?

For the umpteenth time, while filling in a questionnaire on music, and going through the predefined categories to select the proper one, the closest to what I was looking for was: "Electronic/ Dance"

Grrr.

Basefree · Post by **Basefree** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:57 am

Absolutely, it reminds me of those cheap 90s no-name trance compilations you could buy for two euros back in the day.

The Telepathic Kid · Post by **The Telepathic Kid** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:11 am

well still people think of jazz as old timey bebop miles davis shit

then I show them John Zorn and people freak the fuck out.

Post by **Aesthetics** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:40 am

Because the genre Electronic is an umbrella for a lot of styles. Dance is a style in the electronic genre as is Techno or IDM. Even a vast maturity of pop music of today is Electronic music. To quote Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music "Unlike conventional music, electronic music isn't played, per se. It is PROGRAMMED" http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/ this is one of the best sites regarding the arising of Electronic music.
Not sure why Electronic and Dance are put together like that. I guess it is because the industry isolate dance because it is easy to distinguish from all other "non- dance able" electronic music.

El Camino · Post by **El Camino** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:27 am

Yeah this is really weird, and sometimes all electronic music gets thrown into "dance" like i went to a record store the other week and the "dance" section had BoC, Aphex Twin, Autechre etc.. good luck dancing to that.

fujee · Post by **fujee** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:28 am

The Telepathic Kid wrote:well still people think of jazz as old timey bebop miles davis shit

then I show them John Zorn and people freak the fuck out.

Please don't say you're dissing Davis

Cupz · Post by **Cupz** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:41 pm

fujee wrote:
The Telepathic Kid wrote:well still people think of jazz as old timey bebop miles davis shit

then I show them John Zorn and people freak the fuck out.
Please don't say you're dissing Davis

I think he's saying jazz isn't JUST Miles Davis. Just like how Rock nRoll isn't JUST elvis

FernieCanto · Post by **FernieCanto** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:34 pm

Basefree wrote:Absolutely, it reminds me of those cheap 90s no-name trance compilations you could buy for two euros back in the day.

Ah, I remember those days. Also "Here is the latest romantic ballad by Alejandro Sanz turned into a cheesy trance tune!".

The Telepathic Kid · Post by **The Telepathic Kid** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:21 am

fujee wrote:Please don't say you're dissing Davis

how could I ever diss my boy Davis

~

While I'm here, Aesthetics, I've seen that site thrown around many times, and I seriously feel that while it's comprehensive, it's a little too subjective at points (note; the guy's takes on the Garage genre), and is a little uninformed about stuff he doesn't know i.e. putting BoC in Illbient and what genre is "Speed Garage"? that seems to be some mutant form of dubstep before dubstep. Half of the genres are debatable that they even existed or aren't proto forms of genres that now exist, like Drill 'n' Bass (or as here, Experimental Jungle) is now considered to be Breakcore.

This site is clearly not maintained, and really shows why I just don't bother with genres when explaining music except to those who actually know what I'm talking about.

The Telepathic Kid · Post by **The Telepathic Kid** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:41 am

wait Venetian Snares is in "noisecore"

what the hell is noisecore and what is it doing in my breakcore.

circleofthesun · Post by **circleofthesun** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:23 am

drill n bass is more traditionally melodic and less choppy/cutup than breakcore
squarepusher =/= breakcore
later aphex twin =/= breakcore
v snares =/= drill n bass
kid 606 =/= drill n bass
etc.

circleofthesun · Post by **circleofthesun** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:24 am

Also putting BoC in illbient is kinda funny because of their influence on witch house and how witch house was originally a take on illbient. And this guide was pre-witch house...

The Telepathic Kid · Post by **The Telepathic Kid** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:29 am

see, people squabbling about stupid genres.

they're silly.

Jonse · Post by **Jonse** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:49 pm

Like I tend to say nowadays, there's EDM, then there's IDM/Ambient.