Boc Maxima cassette origin

jlgui · Post by **jlgui** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:20 pm

Betacord : Nothing to hear tonight

Betacord · Post by **Betacord** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:26 pm

Yes - shortly

TOYOTAセ&#1 · Post by **TOYOTAセ&#1** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:09 pm

Can't wait to hear this one. It's almost like a baby and Peek a Boo.

Betacord · Post by **Betacord** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:23 pm

Some clips of a few tracks, as a small preview of what it sounds like - 95% satisfied with it:

Boc Maxima (Beta Remaster) Preview

One last little tweak and it's done - then it's just a case of waiting for it to upload... Hope that's alright!

TOYOTAセ&#1 · Post by **TOYOTAセ&#1** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:38 pm

Betacord wrote:Some clips of a few tracks, as a small preview of what it sounds like - 95% satisfied with it:

Boc Maxima (Beta Remaster) Preview

One last little tweak and it's done - then it's just a case of waiting for it to upload... Hope that's alright!

That is... wow... I can hear a extra little bass note in the left channel on Nlogax and I love the kick on Whitewater.

jlgui · Post by **jlgui** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:26 am

Very good teaser ! Give us more

Betacord · Post by **Betacord** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:56 am

jlgui - I've noticed that in the tracks that you split, Sixtyniner has the end bass note cut short, literally missing about a second - so, instead of flowing correctly into Red Moss, it skips... How did that happen?

June 9th into Niagara transitions fine, for example. But that's the only one I've checked otherwise.

Attempting to re-add the end of Sixtyniner now to restore the flow - but for the rest, I'll have to leave them as you've cut them... I trust that most are okay?

Also discovered something perhaps a bit odd with the actual cassette rip re: waveform phase...

jlgui · Post by **jlgui** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:11 am

First, sorry for my bad english...
I cut the files only with a cue sheet so sometime the splits are not perfect...

Remenber the original tracklisting is :
1. Boards Of Canada - Wildlife Analysis / Chinook / Rodox Video / Everything You Do Is A Balloon (Intro) (8:24)
2. Boards Of Canada - Everything You Do Is A Balloon (5:26)
3. Boards Of Canada - Boc Maxima / Roygbiv (4:00)
4. Boards Of Canada - Nova Scotia Robots / June 9th / Niagara / Skimming Stones (9:37)
5. Boards Of Canada - Sixtyniner (5:17)
6. Boards Of Canada - Red Moss (6:16)
7. Boards Of Canada - Concourse (1:42)
8. Boards Of Canada - Carcan / Nlogax (6:59)
9. Boards Of Canada - M9 (3:43)
10. Boards Of Canada - Original Nlogax / Turquoise Hexagon Sun (6:22)
11. Boards Of Canada - Whitewater / One Very Important Thought (7:25)

I think there are 3 little clicks :
- In Everything You Do Is A Balloon at 1:29
- Between Roygbiv and Nova Scotia Robots
- Between Sixtyniner and Red Moss

You can find the missing part in the 11 tracks version :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/v329xclwefs3s ... tte%29.rar

Sorry...

Betacord · Post by **Betacord** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:42 am

It will be alright, no problem!

jlgui wrote:- Between Roygbiv and Nova Scotia Robots

I'll check this out

Basefree · Post by **Basefree** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:19 pm

If you want to be purist about losing no audio data at all in the splitting process, you have to compare the image crc32s for the tape both before and after splitting. You can do this easily with Cuetools without having to turn anything into images first.

Here is the CRC table for the 11-track Maxima FLAC:

[CUETools log; Date: 14/08/2013 17:16:02; Version: 2.1.4]
[CTDB TOCID: .NK8Auel_ZaZPOvuyYSu6n9tAv0-] disk not present in database.
[AccurateRip ID: 001ba405-00eb5a86-9d0f4c0b] disk not present in database.

Track Peak [ CRC32 ] [W/O NULL]
-- 100.0 [89EFB864] [7FC217FE]
01 100.0 [FEBF884A] [3FC8C77E]
02 100.0 [2CF44E79] [9F6EEC50]
03 100.0 [7D76B3CF] [ED230776]
04 100.0 [2A9D0284] [FB77B48A]
05 100.0 [29F6611E] [802EBA04]
06 100.0 [CA2DA1C7] [722D061E]
07 100.0 [976BF2ED] [9DDBA147]
08 100.0 [4D2D6F10] [29577F06]
09 100.0 [1A5C58D4] [14B1C67D]
10 100.0 [F0C70458] [E5BC326F]
11 100.0 [AE0ED74A] [A673DC9E]

The bolded value is the important one here. It should match after you've split the tracks. Otherwise some data has been lost (or silence added).

edit: though, in the end, I think some fade in/outs and click removals would be the best option. If you listen closely to Red Moss' beginning in the original, it clicks after the intro. Funny that it's not present on the old 320kbps rips which can be who-knows how mutilated and transcoded otherwise.

jlgui · Post by **jlgui** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:12 pm

Basefree : I don t think that will work here because the 11 tracks version has repeated song parts and there is also silence that adds to the play time. This means that the 11 track actually ends up being longer than the 20 track version.
11 tracks version clocks at 1:05:12
20 tracks version with correct edit clocks like 1:04:44 or so...

Basefree · Post by **Basefree** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:20 pm

jlgui wrote:Basefree : I don t think that will work here because the 11 tracks version has repeated song parts

Where?

jlgui · Post by **jlgui** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:41 pm

Basefree wrote:
jlgui wrote:Basefree : I don t think that will work here because the 11 tracks version has repeated song parts
Where?

Examples :

Listen Everything You Do Is A Balloon, same parts of the song two times...
Between Roygbiv and Nova Scotia Robots like 3 seconds extra
Between Skimming Stones and Sixtyniner like 3 seconds extra

Basefree · Post by **Basefree** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:55 pm

Hm. I think the fades are part of the deal with Roygbiv and others, but 'Everything' sounds fishy indeed. It needs an edit yeah.

jlgui · Post by **jlgui** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:20 pm

Betacord : Tonight the night?

Betacord · Post by **Betacord** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:01 pm

jlgui wrote:Betacord : Tonight the night?

If only this was a straight transfer of the whole cassette in one go, and not all of the unusual gaps, fades, and repeat sections, it would have been online by now - but of course, not as simple as that...

The actual sound is very good overall, but the way it was ripped is just bizarre and all over the place. I'm interested in addressing some of that - little things that could be improved by going back and editing - it seems right to check first, before making anything final.

jlgui · Post by **jlgui** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:59 am

Yes i am agree, very strange rip. But all is strange with BOC

Take your time for the best result as possible !

re-phaelam-ed · Post by **re-phaelam-ed** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:47 am

Betacord wrote:Some clips of a few tracks, as a small preview of what it sounds like - 95% satisfied with it:

Boc Maxima (Beta Remaster) Preview

One last little tweak and it's done - then it's just a case of waiting for it to upload... Hope that's alright!

nice

jlgui · Post by **jlgui** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:11 pm

betacord : when you think you've finished? I am so eager to listen to your remaster

jlgui · Post by **jlgui** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:33 pm

betacord : No news from you ?