maybe we should all go back to simple gsm phones.

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maybe we should all go back to simple gsm phones.

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think about it: they're simple, reliable, and pretty indestructible.

i got my first cell phone in august of 2013. i got an iphone 5, but if i could do it over i think i might have bought an unlocked nokia 3310 from ebay instead. my iphone does some nice things - i make regular use of the 8mm emulator app, which does delicious contrasty black-and-white video, and it's nice to browse tumblr sometimes - but quite frankly they're not exactly necessary. and i'm not sure they're worth the cons (increased tracking abilities, the 'phone vortex' whereby 'getting together' means sitting in a circle staring at your phones, shitty battery life).

so maybe it's time for a revolution. maybe it's time to say 'fuck you' to the governments and corporations manufacturing coveted disposable disconnection-from-real-life devices and return to circa-2000 high-tech simple do-nothing gsm phones.

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I use my mobile (a ratty old Nokia XC02) to text, as my calendar/address book, take photos where I'm caught without a proper camera and for the (very) occasional and short call.

I do not want to surf the internet on it, play games, or walk about with it perpetually 3 inches in front of my gormless face. I also refuse to pay upwards of £30-40 a month for the privilege (£5 per month does for me just fine thanks).

Incidentally, I'll go one further and ask the question: how many of you still have (and use) a landline?
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Mexicola wrote:Incidentally, I'll go one further and ask the question: how many of you still have (and use) a landline?
I do. It's still a "home phone", just like it was years ago, and serves a different purpose than my cellular phone. Though it's not necessary very much so in most cases, it's convenient to have something that is always on, doesn't need to be recharged and has an answering machine I can listen to without holding a phone by my ear.

Anyways, thoughts? Alright, if you think having a cell phone is in any way, shape or form safe from your information being collected by the government then you don't understand how NSA data collection works. If you have a phone, you are susceptible. Period. If it's a "fuck you" to the government, I presume it has to do with privacy concerns and in that case don't have any cell phone at all.

Now,

A. It is real life, regardless of how you spend it. If one chooses escapism in their free time over other things then they shouldn't be on blast for it, and if you mean that in a social networking sort of manner, a lot of people use those sort of things for a reason and enjoy using those sort of things.

B. I'm tired of seeing this:
coveted disposable disconnection-from-real-life devices
They're not. These are not inherent traits. They are inanimate objects that can do various things. I have a phone from 2010 and I've not coveted a phone since then as mine still does everything I need it to. I enjoy having GPS. I enjoy having greater communication. I enjoy having a full keyboard in the rare case I need to use SMS. I enjoy my phone not inducing eye strain when I'm bored, playing Tetris in the waiting room of a doctor's office. I enjoy the fact that if I want to share a photo or a video with someone on facebook, I don't have to plug my phone in and copy files to to my computer and then upload them or going further back for video having to plug my camera into my computer via firewire, capture the footage in real time off a Hi8 or DV tape and then compress and upload it just so I can show something extremely simple that doesn't need any of that. I can do that in a matter of minutes wirelessly - that's a lot better. I enjoy(ed) when I was going to California and my Cowon's battery died I was able to use the internet on my phone to access Twoism and post here as well as watch some things on YouTube in my spare time, instead of having to bring with me and take out a laptop computer, find a network and connect. All of this is convenient and it has enhanced my life. Also, reliability and durability isn't an issue. I've dropped my smartphone on the concrete many times cycling because it has fallen out of my pocket and can confirm the thing is a tank. If you're using a shitty Apple product then that's different, your screen will probably crack, and hopefully it'll be a learning opportunity and you'll ask yourself why you bought an Apple phone.

If you know people who have no life now because of their coveted phone and are totally disconnected, then that's fucking stupid and it's on them - not the phone. I don't go to tumblr. I don't use instagram. I don't make "vines" because I've been taking short videos for YouTube for years and don't need some trendy stupid application for it. I rarely "tweet", have never done so on my phone and only my desktop, and generally it's in contact with an artist or person I can only reach on Twitter. I don't send text messages that say "hey". I don't put my phone over what I'm doing and most importantly, were I choose to have a period of disconnection/escapism, it's going to be on my desktop and not my phone. The phone is a tool I use to enhance my life, particularly in the form of communication and navigation, and pretty much all my friends use their phones the same way, so perhaps people should stop blaming incredible technology that we wouldn't have remotely thought possible twenty years ago and instead start blaming themselves. We had a thread like this before - it's getting old and regardless of what you'd desire, it isn't reality. You can't get rid of the phones. We can change ourselves.
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Id ditch phones all together, go old fashion
but its not a bad idea if you at least want it for certain situations i.e. emergencies and such
it seriously bugs me that we are constantly tracked and the tech that's popular now is just mindless gobbly goop for the brain, designed to keep us busy from whats really going on /:
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It's not the tech. It's the software.

I.E. it isn't your phone, it's instagram
I.E. it isn't your television, it's the superbowl

Fuck being docile, denounce these things. Pay attention to what's actually happening. I should state that technology has allowed us to actually infer a lot of what's really going on, so blame the bullshit only.

As for being tracked, I agree, it's disgusting. I have things to circumvent it on my desktop where I do most things that might potentially be self-incriminating, and I DO exercise usage of these things (unlike people who complain a whole lot but haven't even touched Tor, haven't even replaced Chrome with Chromium and checked the source to make sure it's clean, etc. With the phones it's pretty much impossible to avoid this, so I say keep your conversations quick and save the real shit for VOIP or face to face conversations. In fact, that's really what a phone call should be in most cases: quick, to the point.
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Rodheh wrote:It's not the tech. It's the software.

I.E. it isn't your phone, it's instagram
I.E. it isn't your television, it's the superbowl

Fuck being docile, denounce these things. Pay attention to what's actually happening. I should state that technology has allowed us to actually infer a lot of what's really going on, so blame the bullshit only.

As for being tracked, I agree, it's disgusting. I have things to circumvent it on my desktop where I do most things that might potentially be self-incriminating, and I DO exercise usage of these things (unlike people who complain a whole lot but haven't even touched Tor, haven't even replaced Chrome with Chromium and checked the source to make sure it's clean, etc. With the phones it's pretty much impossible to avoid this, so I say keep your conversations quick and save the real shit for VOIP or face to face conversations. In fact, that's really what a phone call should be in most cases: quick, to the point.
What are the perks of Chromium compared to Chrome privacy-wise? And what do you mean by "checked the source to make sure it's clean"? I'm asking because I'm thinking about switching to another web-browser.
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Rodheh wrote:It's not the tech. It's the software.

I.E. it isn't your phone, it's instagram
I.E. it isn't your television, it's the superbowl

Fuck being docile, denounce these things. Pay attention to what's actually happening. I should state that technology has allowed us to actually infer a lot of what's really going on, so blame the bullshit only.
I don't think this is quite true. What you seem to be saying is that technology is always either neutral or positive on balance.
While it would be pointless to argue that any great skill or enjoyment is lost with the invention of, say, the washing machine or dishwasher, I don't think you could say the same, for example, for television, which, regardless of the programme being watched, fundamentally changes how we process information and see the world, no matter whether you are conscious of it happening.
I recommend reading 'Amusing Ourselves to Death' by Neil Postman for a better explanation of this than I can provide.
Another example and a pet bugbear of mine is satnav. I would argue that with the exception of a small number of profession and instances, reliance on satnav degrades skills such as spatial awareness and memory without providing any huge advantage.
It isn't always how we use these technologies, but sometimes the technologies themselves, the way they can infantilise us, remove motivation or responsibility to learn, without us even realising.
I'm of a generation that has experienced the before and after of portable computing, mobile phones, social media and ebooks, for example and I personally see, such as in the case of ebooks (or the move away from physical music media) a loss of a emotional and sensual experience - the smell and touch of a book or vinyl record, the album or book cover as almost a separate work of art in itself.
On another note, had I been able to retreat into texting or social media, I may not have been forced into getting over (or at least masking) my sometimes crippling shyness as a teenager. It was an uncomfortable experience and sure, people should accept us as we are, but in reality, the world is largely indifferent - it did me good to be taught that lesson.
In many cases I feel an experience or skill is sacrificed for practicality and a lot of the time I see that as a net loss.
I can go on, but I hope you see my point.
Many people's problem (and I think yours as well, but coming from a different angle) is that we seem to be blindly accepting either the technologies or the way we are 'supposed' to use them without questioning what we lose of ourselves in the process.
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^ I have the same issue with sat nav - it has eroded people's ability to read maps and navigate and, most worrying, leads to many drivers switching off their brain and blindly following the sat nav - as evidence by the stories of people driving into flooded fords because their sat nav told them too...

Similarly having a mobile phone has negated my need to remember phone numbers. Pre-mobiles I had a few important numbers memorised - now they've mostly gone.
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i read this thread on my phone...... :wink:
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The only reason I got an Iphone 4 is to upload all my music onto it. Let's face it, we can't carry a record player around everywhere we go.

The only thing I hate about smart phones is the way it constantly promotes the internet. There are so many jerks in the world (and with the amount of spoilt children in the world, the number is increasing). I hate the idea of all these children just jumping onto the internet and ruining it with their rude comments and their terrible taste in music.

That's my opinion anyway.
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BRING BACK ROTARY PHONES!

fuck cellies. they are ruining human interaction. cool for when yer car breaks down out in the middle of no where in the middle of winter.

but why do we need to be reachable EVERYWHERE. defeats the whole purpose of "getting away".
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I have an iphone.

Sometimes I have to check myself, when I find myself checking emails while in company.

I also find myself reaching for the phone when if I wake up during the night, impeding any chance I have of going back to sleep.

I once had a Nokia 3310, and I'm not sure it had a keypad lock feature, or if it had it wasn't great. I once took it out and found I had bum phoned the first person in my contacts called Anne, who I didn't know very well 11 times or something like that.
Turned out she was on holidays in Spain at the time too. That was embarrassing.

Yeah, the ability to make phone calls is secondary to just about everything else on a handset these days.
I worry about children who have smartphones, and spend their days staring at them.
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A_Northern_Soul wrote:^ I have the same issue with sat nav - it has eroded people's ability to read maps and navigate and, most worrying, leads to many drivers switching off their brain and blindly following the sat nav - as evidence by the stories of people driving into flooded fords because their sat nav told them too...
I've noticed this. I can't read a map because I grew up in the era of GPS, and I hate it. GPS/navigation apps are shit anyway - Google's navigation app directed me into the middle of a cement plant not too long ago.
GH wrote:I also find myself reaching for the phone when if I wake up during the night, impeding any chance I have of going back to sleep.
I had this problem too, for a while. I started putting my phone in the bathroom overnight. much better.
GH wrote:I worry about children who have smartphones, and spend their days staring at them.
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Toddlers take selfies, too

There are no bounds to my hatred of this. Here are some choice quotes from the article I linked above:
You can even buy a pillow with a smartphone pocket so toddlers can take selfies during a diaper change.
She was recently helping her 3-year-old son record a short birthday video for his cousin on her iPhone when he stopped mid-sentence, lunged for her phone and shouted, "Mom, can I see it?"

"It's caught on the end of the video. He couldn't even wait to get the last sentence out," said Young, who has two sons. "The second the phone comes out, they stop, they look and they attack."
Koskie has noticed that cuddling in bed on a lazy Saturday morning and swiping through digital photos is one of Paisley's favorite activities
I'm starting to think that when I have kids, I'm going to go raise them in a commune in the woods or something.
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"You can even buy a pillow with a smartphone pocket so toddlers can take selfies during a diaper change."
:lol: lmfao yeah right
give me actual links where you can buy one of these or i'm calling bullshit.
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how sad. everyone looking at screens all day. not interacting, doing anything. unable to remember anything relying on our devices to tell us everything.

very sad
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You'd think people would be able to come to the conclusion that interacting with someone through a screen is completely superfluous compared to the real thing, yet you still see people together all looking at their phones as if communicating through a device is somehow more gratifying. You see it at parties and restaurants etc.. ALL the time.
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Yeah, I just have a very basic circa 2005 cell that I only use occasionally. I'm not impressed with the smartphone thing, and definitely not impressed with the distraction factor that comes with it. People are addicted to those things like crack. I just like to chill like it's 1970.
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Interesting, thanks for posting
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Not viable in this day and age. It doesn't matter what the principle, the technology is already integrated and there's no going back. It would take a massive majority for anyone to reverse the smart-phone trend. I agree with the issue here but I'm not about to set myself above anyone else for the obsession, I admit I'm responsible for it too.

Despite the issues with self-reliance, attention span, fear of silence, and vanity, I think there's some potential for something positive to be done. It's not as much the technology as much as our attitude to it. It doesn't matter whether it existed, we would still find ways to extend this bullshit- you have to come to the source- which is a serious flaw in the way that humanity looks at itself and what it values.
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