Four Horsemen - TH thread?

Peacock Tail · Post by **Peacock Tail** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:03 pm

Whilst I am very aware that I could be seeing patterns that simply aren't there, I have pondered the possibility that there may be a 4 horsemen link between the tracks Sick Times, Palace Posy, Uritual and Sundown.

Perhaps some suggestions are tenuous but it may trigger other's knowledge to maybe validate this path...

If Sick Times can be taken to represent 'Pestilence' (the 1st Horseman) and Palace Posy (Apocalypse) can be taken to represent 'War' (the 2nd Horseman), it would follow (assuming the track order pattern) that 'Uritual' would represent 'Famine' (the 3rd Horseman).

When I searched for 'famine ritual' in google, some very surprising results cropped up (and made for some very bleak reading). A lot of searches centered around cannibalism, evidence of which occurs throughout history during times of famine. If we take previous mentions from BOC in regards to the 'video nasty'element of TH into account, there is such a film called 'Cannibal Ferox'. Also, perhaps the 'U' stands for 'universal' as used in video certification. (I also found a wiki article about a 'Uruguayan' plane crash that resulted in cannibalism.) Or I'm simply mad...?

It would also then follow that 'Sundown' would represent the 4th Horseman, 'Death'. However, the only thing I could find after some searching that might be relevant was the science-fiction author L. Ron Hubbard's 'Death Waits at Sundown'.

Plausible or rubbish?

Cheers

Edit: Also in the book of 'Revelation' there are 7 Seals, 4 Horsemen and 7 Bowls (747).

Jonse · Post by **Jonse** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:34 pm

I think Sick Times represents "a decent track", Palace Posy represents "a shitty track" and Uritual represents "a good track".

chronical · Post by **chronical** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:59 pm

Sometimes you guys amaze me. How the fuck do you even come up with stuff like this

Peacock Tail · Post by **Peacock Tail** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:04 pm

Boredom and caffeine mainly with the insatiable need to know what a fooking Uritual is.

ZosoCon · Post by **ZosoCon** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:23 pm

Peacock Tail wrote:I also found a wiki article about a 'Uruguayan' plane crash that resulted in cannibalism.

There's a decent 1993 film called "Alive" that is based on this event. Many scenes from it have been branded in my mind since day one of watching.

Mexicola · Post by **Mexicola** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:48 pm

Someone get ol' Mickey Harms onto this. I'm serious - I miss that guy.

Peacock Tail · Post by **Peacock Tail** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:18 pm

I miss that guy too. I still can't hear 90% of the stuff he can.

I know all this is far fetched. I was just having a bit of fun going down a rabbit hole on a boring Thursday afternoon!

I saw a Roscharch blot is all!

The strange thing is, the amount of subliminal detail BOC put into their stuff, there could easily be some alternative bizarre theories yet to be discovered regarding TH...

...ah well, I'm learning that maybe the secret is to not even try to figure it out and just listen the music...

arvy · Post by **arvy** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:21 pm

Rodheh wrote:I think Sick Times represents "a decent track", Palace Posy represents "a shitty track" and Uritual represents "a good track".

that's only your's opinion

Peacock Tail wrote:
The strange thing is, the amount of subliminal detail BOC put into their stuff, there could easily be some alternative bizarre theories yet to be discovered regarding TH...

...ah well, I'm learning that maybe the secret is to not even try to figure it out and just listen the music...

yeah the interesting point that the less I take seriously this album, the more I enjoy it, it's just a music, on the surface of course...

Peacock Tail · Post by **Peacock Tail** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:40 pm

arvy wrote:
yeah the interesting point that the less I take seriously this album, the more I enjoy it, it's just a music, on the surface of course...

Thanks for the tip!

Currently, I find most of the album a bit too bleak to 'love' and instead merely 'appreciate'.

Campfire is more up my street.

arvy · Post by **arvy** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:52 pm

Peacock Tail wrote:
arvy wrote:
yeah the interesting point that the less I take seriously this album, the more I enjoy it, it's just a music, on the surface of course...
Thanks for the tip!

Currently, I find most of the album a bit too bleak to 'love' and instead merely 'appreciate'.

Campfire is more up my street.

Yeah you welcome dude

Yeah, Mickey had very interesting observations on this album, some of wich made me to look at it from the different perspective

Also. each boc album is unique for me, I enjoy all of them

Valotonin · Post by **Valotonin** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:32 am

Peacock Tail wrote:Boredom and caffeine mainly with the insatiable need to know what a fooking Uritual is.

Uritual
You ritual
Virtual

Virtual self ritual. A ritualistic addiction to the virtual. Just speculation though.

I know I said I wouldn't post again... oh well.

Peacock Tail · Post by **Peacock Tail** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:47 am

Hmmm. It's food for thought!

I thought it may have something to do with 'Spi-ritual' and trying to figure out why 'U' might replace 'Spi'.

....I definitely need to just concentrate on the music...

Cupz · Post by **Cupz** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:46 am

You don't have to be appologetic for spewing wild theories. Since when is twoism NOT the place to do that? It is (or used to be) one of my favourite aspects of this forum. I think there are still these keys for unlocking parts of tomorrows harvest we're simply not hearing yet. People (twoism-n00bs) calling people idiots for going a bit far with their noodle is probably the reason we haven't found all/any of them. We probably already missed four red moon party invitations because of that shit attitude.

Peacock Tail · Post by **Peacock Tail** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:37 pm

Thanks for that post Cupz!

It does take a bit of 'virtual balls' for a noob to come out with a crackpot theory, because you know right away you're an easy target.

But as you say, unless someone spews out these wild theories, how can a discussion ever get started?

I might be miles off but someone might pick up on a small detail and take it off at a tangent that might lead somewhere.

It's only entertainment anyway.

I would like to clarify that I'm not the sort of weirdo that spends their life on wikipedia researching death and cannibalism!

In fact, truth be told, after reading about some of that stuff yesterday, it put me in a proper black mood for most of the day! I don't fancy going down those kinds of rabbit holes again!! I don't have the psychological constitution!

And I get a hint of that black feeling whenever I listen to TH. (I'm not sure the album is good for me!)

Give me Kiteracer 2 any day! For I am a soft-arse.

THE BOB · Post by **THE BOB** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:53 pm

I like this. Whether right or wrong, it's interesting and a "fertile" area of study.

I came around to hearing uritual as the point where the species is essentially left "fallow."

Generalchesty · Post by **Generalchesty** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:35 pm

Peacock Tail wrote:Boredom and caffeine mainly with the insatiable need to know what a fooking Uritual is.

the prefix ur- means original or primitive, so I'm guessing the track represents a degeneration in the album's narrative.

Generalchesty · Post by **Generalchesty** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:54 pm

This is an article that I think gets to the essence of Tomorrow's Harvest.
http://billstclair.com/matrix/ar01s02.html

tl;dr?

- Humanity does not equate to society

- Institutions begin to stop serving their original purpose, serving human need, and exist only for self-preservation.

- Our current state of living is based on a means without an end; there must eventually be a collapse.

it's worth the read though...

i-the-wayside · Post by **i-the-wayside** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:33 pm

Cupz wrote:You don't have to be appologetic for spewing wild theories. Since when is twoism NOT the place to do that? It is (or used to be) one of my favourite aspects of this forum. I think there are still these keys for unlocking parts of tomorrows harvest we're simply not hearing yet. People (twoism-n00bs) calling people idiots for going a bit far with their noodle is probably the reason we haven't found all/any of them. We probably already missed four red moon party invitations because of that shit attitude.

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Valotonin · Post by **Valotonin** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:25 am

There was an interview quite a while ago where I recall one of the brothers stating that they almost found it amusing when people read in to things that didn't exist in their music.
Is it possible that the mystery surrounding TH is literally them exercising the ability to show people that just because something is cryptic the answers won't always lie beneath. I think a lot of it has to do with ways the human mind perceives the world, the obsessive nature of the world being based around an information superhighway and the psychological implications of that.

Has anyone else noticed the drone in 'Gemini' is a sample of the end of the end of 'she found now' the first track of the new MBV album? This would be the second time they have sampled MBV now to the best of my knowledge.

Stickyfingers72 · Post by **Stickyfingers72** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:37 am

Peacock Tail wrote:
arvy wrote:
yeah the interesting point that the less I take seriously this album, the more I enjoy it, it's just a music, on the surface of course...
Thanks for the tip!

Currently, I find most of the album a bit too bleak to 'love' and instead merely 'appreciate'.

Campfire is more up my street.

Ditto

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