Your controversial BoC opinions.

[Opothecary]

Can we start using "...is the Phantom Menace of" as some sort of Twoism inside joke when we want to let everyone know that we're making a completely over the top statement about the quality of something?

[maxd98]

Each album is different. Each album has their own appeal. To each his own. These are the words of truth. Amen.

[zeoevil]

My only contribution to this most recent discussion is to point out that if you were around 10 years old when the Phantom Menace came out you probably thought it was the most amazing thing you had ever seen in your entire life. It spoke to your imagination in ways you probably didn't think possible. I'm not sure what that says about Tomorrow's Harvest. I suspect it says that if you are around 10 years old now, and have grown up with terrorism, domestic surveillance, Facebook, smartphones, Isis, Ferguson, gay marriage, and hundreds of other assorted changes in society, for better or worse, then Tomorrow's Harvest probably resonates with you in ways the rest of us can't even comprehend. Maybe the album was never for us. Maybe it was for their children. A cautionary tale from their elders?

I'd also like to point out that Rodheh didn't just hate Tomorrow's Harvest, he hated it so much he made his own version of it...just like fans did the Phantom Edit and so on. Not sure what that says either.

[valleaux]

My only contribution to this most recent discussion is to point out that if you were around 10 years old when the Phantom Menace came out you probably thought it was the most amazing thing you had ever seen in your entire life. It spoke to your imagination in ways you probably didn't think possible. I'm not sure what that says about Tomorrow's Harvest. I suspect it says that if you are around 10 years old now, and have grown up with terrorism, domestic surveillance, Facebook, smartphones, Isis, Ferguson, gay marriage, and hundreds of other assorted changes in society, for better or worse, then Tomorrow's Harvest probably resonates with you in ways the rest of us can't even comprehend. Maybe the album was never for us. Maybe it was for their children. A cautionary tale from their elders?

I'd also like to point out that Rodheh didn't just hate Tomorrow's Harvest, he hated it so much he made his own version of it...just like fans did the Phantom Edit and so on. Not sure what that says either.

Damn. You blew my mind.

I'm a pretty young dude and I guess this applies to me. I can't remember 9/11, but I definitely remember all of the changes in the following years. I remember Hurricane Katrina vividly, though. As I get older, I'll probably be seeing more changes (for better or for worse, but more likely worse) and TH is about that.

Tomorrow's Harvest refers to the reaping of tomorrow's generation. Their impact on the environment, each other, and the world's way of functioning. It's not Today's or Yesterday's Harvest, since it's too late to change what we gave up to the farmers. It's about what will be collected in the future.

Again, damn.

[northernlite]

My only contribution to this most recent discussion is to point out that if you were around 10 years old when the Phantom Menace came out you probably thought it was the most amazing thing you had ever seen in your entire life. It spoke to your imagination in ways you probably didn't think possible. I'm not sure what that says about Tomorrow's Harvest. I suspect it says that if you are around 10 years old now, and have grown up with terrorism, domestic surveillance, Facebook, smartphones, Isis, Ferguson, gay marriage, and hundreds of other assorted changes in society, for better or worse, then Tomorrow's Harvest probably resonates with you in ways the rest of us can't even comprehend. Maybe the album was never for us. Maybe it was for their children. A cautionary tale from their elders?

I'd also like to point out that Rodheh didn't just hate Tomorrow's Harvest, he hated it so much he made his own version of it...just like fans did the Phantom Edit and so on. Not sure what that says either.

this is a really deep, and valid thought. i love it.

[Mexicola]

I think all it really demonstrates is that taste is subjective. I'm 41. I love TH. It connects with me. Doesn't make me a bigger fan or right. Just means I enjoy it.

Some people love peanut butter. Makes me wretch. Go figure.

[arvy]

Lmao now I see why this album made some boc fans so angry ,It's like boc wanted to release something which will go from hands to hands and only years later reveal it self ,this is mind boggling idea

[number-six]

I've come to the conclusion that people who don't like Tomorrow's Harvest either have no imagination or little knowledge of production.

That's controversial to say but i'm beginning to get really wound up about the TH hate around here and the actual theories people are coming up with to explain why it's shit. Then again... this is a forum.

[Najlepsiejszy]

Why do you think that people who don't like TH don't have imagination? Just because I don't see strange little aliens walking on planets or smart computers doesn't mean we don't have imagination. Maybe it's not my strong point actually, but I appreciate lots of music without having to imagine stuff a lot. Instead, music resonates with me on an emotional level. TH is empty when it comes to that. Don't generalize based on your instincts.

And you don't need any knowledge to know whether something is good or not. Do you like bad movies just because someone has put a lot of work in them?

Besides, you're in a "controversial opinions" thread and you're getting angry at them, lol

[Headphase]

Firstly, TH is still a good album. The production on it is very good, especially some of the drum patterns going on.
But I don't like it as much as the others simply because I can't connect to it. When I first heard Geogaddi back when I was a little kid I was obsessed with it. It was original, weird and absolutely mind boggling to find all the hidden messages.
When TCH came out I loved it so much that I bought my own copy and have been playing it ever since.

But TH... I just can't connect to it at the moment. It's beautiful, but I don't think it can compare to the other albums.

[Wildfire]

You are always going to get BOC fans that love their more 'accessible' stuff and that's just the way it is. For me TH was an incredibly brave and boundary pushing album and I loved every minute of it. I don't think we're anywhere near to solving many of the hidden musical algorithms, I get the feeling that there's so much more to the album than we have uncovered yet.

Purely on a musical level though, I thought it was outstanding. I also love the fact that I must have heard it through around 100 times now and it's STILL growing on me, there isn't a tune on it that I am bored of. A testament to how much the boys have mastered their craft.

[Najlepsiejszy]

Just because I don't see strange little aliens walking on planets or smart computers doesn't mean we don't have imagination

I phrased that wrongly. What I meant is that "just because some people don't see stuff when listening to TH doesn't mean the group as a whole lacks imagination"

[Peacock Tail]

Just because I don't see strange little aliens walking on planets or smart computers doesn't mean we don't have imagination. Maybe it's not my strong point actually, but I appreciate lots of music without having to imagine stuff a lot. Instead, music resonates with me on an emotional level.

Whilst I don't hate TH, it is probably my least favourite BOC release.

However, I agree entirely with this comment. I too connect with music on an emotional (spiritual?) level, much more than a scenic or image-conjuring level.

I also produce music for a living...

My controversial opinion could well be that I think Jacquard Causeway spoils the album. Yes, it's clever polyrhythmic stuff, but to be honest, it's not really pleasant to hear. Especially at 7 minutes long. The drums totally short-change a good piece of music if you ask me. When a Prog band does that, they're slammed for 'self-indulgence' but an IDM band do it and it's 'so cool'.

Also, because it appears so near the start of the album, the album struggles a while to recover from it.

Sorry folks, please don't hate...

[FortonServices]

TH is probably my favourite BoC album.

This is because I'm a miserable bastard.

[Ashtray Wasp]

TH for me is just something really different that they wnated to do, becouse as their minds were changing, the brothers changed their music as well, and I like this new concept, of course there are some moments of the album that are not so pleasant, but overall, it gives me a new feeling, new thibgs to wonder, new things to imagine, in a way that BoC had never really done before.

Albeit it really started as a meh album for me, it has been growing fron the inside, the emotion I feel in it, the despair vibes I get from it, the message of collapse that it tries to send, has been just making me more eager to listen to it, to try and unravel its mysteries, but this is something that might not happen to everyone, as I do not really concentrate on the musical quality or the structure of it (although I also somewhat take this things into account) it's more like how you want to see it, how you feel it.

[Jonse]

Can we start using "...is the Phantom Menace of" as some sort of Twoism inside joke when we want to let everyone know that we're making a completely over the top statement about the quality of something?

Sorry, I didn't know quality was objective when it comes to art.

Either way, you've misunderstood the analogy. It pertains to hype, not quality. It was the biggest musical hype of my LIFE...hence the analogy.

You are the only person that goes out of their way to let someone who doesn't share their same opinion know they still disagree with them. It's been two years, seriously?

I've come to the conclusion that people who don't like Tomorrow's Harvest either have no imagination or little knowledge of production.

Wow.

My controversial opinion could well be that I think Jacquard Causeway spoils the album. Yes, it's clever polyrhythmic stuff, but to be honest, it's not really pleasant to hear. Especially at 7 minutes long. The drums totally short-change a good piece of music if you ask me. When a Prog band does that, they're slammed for 'self-indulgence' but an IDM band do it and it's 'so cool'.

Also, because it appears so near the start of the album, the album struggles a while to recover from it.

Sorry folks, please don't hate...

Never thought this would be controversial. Worst BoC track ever for me.

[Jonse]

Opinions = opinions

Rodheh is dissapointed by TH, I feel for him

And so was like half the group. Only difference is that nobody else felt inclined to share their feelings about it on Twoism. People did it with TCH, a great album, so I'm not sure why it's so wrong with TH (which I don't "hate" by any means).

Anyways Mexi is still right (and so is Maxd98). That little idea slips by people too often.

And for the record, I don't like peanut butter either.

[vballs]

BoC are responsible for influencing the creation of the worlds largest youtube repository of fan made family picnic videos.

This shits got to stop

[Jonse]

BoC are responsible for influencing the creation of the worlds largest youtube repository of fan made family picnic videos.

This shits got to stop

Yes.

They brought sepia and heavily damaged 8mm film to the digital age too.

[number-six]

Just because I don't see strange little aliens walking on planets or smart computers doesn't mean we don't have imagination

I phrased that wrongly. What I meant is that "just because some people don't see stuff when listening to TH doesn't mean the group as a whole lacks imagination"

I didn't mean imagination in that sense, but I know I should have clarified. All I meant was that I see it as an album that's trying to spark thought, not images of little aliens (which if you're imagining while listening to BoC you're missing the point in my opinion).

I came on strong and of course I regret it, but i've been lurking here for some time and some of the stuff i've read about TH here has been frightening. I know i'm in a controversial opinions thread, I was just in disbelief that someone had actually come up with a theory as to how the boys deliberately made it shit for older listeners. Isn't that surely just absolute fucking bollocks?

My comment about production was shitty and elitist, and I wish I could take it back but I can't because it's written in e-stone and self-censorship is a whole heap of bullshit.