Trump - how long has he got?

[Jonse]

"inarticulate" is the word you are looking for. i often forget it, and have to struggle for it, which is quite annoying and ironic.

Thank you.

[Valotonin]

I've basically dug myself in to deep in reality.
If anyone really tried, they could associate this account with my real name.
That freaks me out because it means that if I ever release music it will just be a matter of when, not if, people discover some of the politically 'unacceptable' things I have said online and a witch hunt ensues.

How would one remedy this issue if they were in my situation?
Do I ask robin to delete that post I made that had a blurry but nevertheless identifiable picture of me in it?

Don't say 'by not saying extreme things online' because I am way ahead of you on that one.
My lips are sealed.
To be fair, my opinions on such topics have changed recently anyway and are always changing when presented new perspectives.

[Valotonin]

And the issue is that if theoretically I was to make music and people connected it to these views, I would meet an 'unfortunate drug overdose' combined with shooting myself in the back of the head three times several seconds apart. Do you get me?

It happens.

[Jonse]

I don't know and I don't know your politically unacceptable content and unless it were against the law I probably wouldn't take it as seriously as other people might be but I would ask really that you don't post things like what you last did because Val, no, I don't get you. And there are some people on this forum that might not be too happy with you stating that. I suggest you stop.

[Valotonin]

I don't know and I don't know your politically unacceptable content and unless it were against the law I probably wouldn't take it as seriously as other people might be but I would ask really that you don't post things like what you last did because Val, no, I don't get you. And there are some people on this forum that might not be too happy with you stating that. I suggest you stop.

Wait, wait wait.
What was implied wasn't my harming myself.

What was implied was my running into "an unfortunate accident" at the hands of someone else if my music ever gained an audience, which it most likely won't.

Thank you for your concern, though.
I wouldn't do it, don't worry. I haven't tried anything like that since I was a teenager.
Will PM you.

[Jonse]

Well I didn't see that or read it that way.

But now the context raises whole new suspicions. So I'd stop posting if I were you and yeah, have Robin delete it.

[Valotonin]

I was full on intoxicated and writing about how having small ethnostates was a good thing for the preservation of different subtypes of humanity a couple of pages back. I think I have a Nazi scientist alter-ego (unfunny but nevertheless said in jest)

That's the kind of thing I don't ever want to be associated with my name.

[Jonse]

VALOTONIN. PM THE CONTEXT OR NOT AT ALL. I AM DONE POSTING HERE. SORRY.

[2020k]

Don't say 'by not saying extreme things online' because I am way ahead of you on that one.

By not saying extreme things online and I say that because you’re definitely not ahead of anyone with that one. This applies to Rodheh as well.

[Valotonin]

Don't say 'by not saying extreme things online' because I am way ahead of you on that one.

By not saying extreme things online and I say that because you’re definitely not ahead of anyone with that one. This applies to Rodheh as well.

As of that comment I effectively am.

I will still call out the media if they are creating propaganda and that goes for all sides of a situation as we have a lot of Pro-Conservative party/ blatantly anti-Corbyn propaganda coming out of our televisions in the UK at the moment. I wouldn't class that as extreme and although it is sometimes tethered loosely to my political opinions, I don't smile and ignore it if it is propaganda that doesn't affect me/ is in favor of something I am.

That is the mistake people make. You have Fox and the like spewing propaganda and CNN and the like spewing propaganda, and because of people's political alignments, they will only accept an either/ or situation based on who they support.
"Its not propaganda if it supports my views" kind of thing.

The truth is that the standard of Journalistic integrity, especially when it comes to politics, has vanished in the US and is in a death-spiral here.

[Valotonin]

I retract my earlier statement about politics and Twoism, though.
I think it does belong on this part of the board to promote healthy discussion and to help us learn that differences of opinion aren't something to become vicious over, quite the opposite, I like to have a group of friends as diverse in opinion as anything and I like to have healthy discussion with them about it. Diversity of opinion is just as important as any other kind of diversity. Homogenization of thought is a risk to humanity in reality.

Such discussions taking place here will gradually en-train the thought patterns of anyone who wishes to take part into understanding that such conversations are possible without animosity and without dispute.

Discussing serious topics as friends and not spiralling, as we so often do in the west, into personal insult/ character assassination and hatred as a result is paramount to a healthy online community in my opinion. People still need to learn how to discuss things as friends. Note that despite everything directed towards me as a result of some of my views and some of the views I no longer hold, I have never personally insulted anyone and I never will. I don't get angry when someone disagrees with me.

[Cupz]

Why is this thread still at the top and not slowly dying and disappearing into the depths of the second page? Don't be so boring, twoism. Let's find something fun to discuss. And let's make art, damnit!

[fujee]

Sure, make another Trump thread, why not. How many jews, gays and blacks did he gas again?

Trump isn't important enough to merit even one tenth of the attention he gets. I don't need live commentary on every tweet he writes or these polls. Maybe make a thread about the wonders of socialism in Venezuela for a change, or about the chronically drunk, undemocratically elected head of the EU.

There are much darker, much greater forces at play now.

Everybody who has ever expressed a dissenting opinion about EU, immigration, feminism or the gender clusterfuck, no matter how decently expressed, has been blamed for being a Nazi. Truly scandalous, but only a foreshadowing of what is to come. First it was OK to punch Nazi's, then to murder them, and they'll soon be calling for concentration camps for Nazis. A genocide in the making for sure. There will be great bloodshed in Europe. They'll already throw you in jail for posting a historical photo. That's how far we're down the drain already. Eventually everybody who has a dissenting opinion is a "Nazi", and will be jailed, punched, and dealt with. Which must be a glorious thing if you are so inclined, until a fellow comrade (pun intended) comes along and thinks you're moustache is a little thin, or the music you listen to is a bit patriarchal, and murders you and your family for supporting fascism.

I don't care what any of you think of me. The unspeakable evil wrought upon this continent will never be forgiven.

Occasionally have to remind myself of this post. What a freak, and not the good kind.

[firekeese]

[WATER_CAN-_-]

[Jonse]

Ugh the age of this thread

[professor]

It's always worth repeating, I think, that it's easy to get caught up in an internet/media bubble on these subjects and head for the extremes.
In reality most people steer (affected by their own biases, of course) a practical middle line through what is often a lot of over-analysis by professional commentators whose wage depends on creating or sustaining some controversy.
Of course there are 'forces' at work behind the surface of the news, but it's more important than ever to be able to filter out the paranoia and research the facts, which are often a lot more prosaic - there is no grand conspiracy, just flawed individuals to whom our social and economic structures give too much power and influence, a push and pull between the innate lust for power of various organisations, whether they be governments or corporations.
More than ever, the centuries-old ebb and flow of power is given additional momentum by a media hungry for news, so issues, such as political correctness, for example, can seem like a all-pervading 'thing'.
Most folk with a lifetime of interacting with other folk from different backgrounds understand that not everyone will use the same language or have the same sense of humour as them, and judge people by actions rather than words.
Funnily enough, both the vocal left and right think the world is going to hell in a handcart because of the other 'side'. We can't all be right.
Trump will disappear after having achieved little of what he wanted and the world will move on, the immigration 'crisis' in Europe and the current wave of terrorism will be replaced by something else. There's plenty of stuff - natural resources, climate change, destruction of ecosystems, AI/automation, failure of antibiotics/health issues etc. already on the horizon. That's not to belittle these things, however what depresses me is that we seem to have learnt nothing about how to react to them, to put them in a larger context and therefore minimise the effect that they have.

these pre 2020 posts

[jcnporter]

It's always worth repeating, I think, that it's easy to get caught up in an internet/media bubble on these subjects and head for the extremes.
In reality most people steer (affected by their own biases, of course) a practical middle line through what is often a lot of over-analysis by professional commentators whose wage depends on creating or sustaining some controversy.
Of course there are 'forces' at work behind the surface of the news, but it's more important than ever to be able to filter out the paranoia and research the facts, which are often a lot more prosaic - there is no grand conspiracy, just flawed individuals to whom our social and economic structures give too much power and influence, a push and pull between the innate lust for power of various organisations, whether they be governments or corporations.
More than ever, the centuries-old ebb and flow of power is given additional momentum by a media hungry for news, so issues, such as political correctness, for example, can seem like a all-pervading 'thing'.
Most folk with a lifetime of interacting with other folk from different backgrounds understand that not everyone will use the same language or have the same sense of humour as them, and judge people by actions rather than words.
Funnily enough, both the vocal left and right think the world is going to hell in a handcart because of the other 'side'. We can't all be right.
Trump will disappear after having achieved little of what he wanted and the world will move on, the immigration 'crisis' in Europe and the current wave of terrorism will be replaced by something else. There's plenty of stuff - natural resources, climate change, destruction of ecosystems, AI/automation, failure of antibiotics/health issues etc. already on the horizon. That's not to belittle these things, however what depresses me is that we seem to have learnt nothing about how to react to them, to put them in a larger context and therefore minimise the effect that they have.

these pre 2020 posts

Lol

[2020k]

I am so tired.

[llydia]

My face reading this thread...

:/