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Re: Corbyn
sorry, I went to bed early last night and woke up to the results.
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Re: Corbyn
Don’t be sorry. It sure wasn’t worth staying up for.
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Loving all the melts coming out the woodwork and saying this happened because labour went too left wing and not because they didn't support Brexit clearly and from the start. That'll be left wing politics fucked for us all for a generation.
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It's depressing, if predictable, to see the various factions in Labour tearing strips off each other all over the internet now.
In my view, for what it's worth, most of them need a dose of reality and humility after last night.
As someone sympathetic to Corbynism (i.e. democratic socialism) if not a particular fan of the man himself, I'd hoped that, by now, he'd have handed the baton over to someone younger and with less baggage. In the end, while he seemed fundamentally well-meaning and decent, he was just too naive, too much of a target for our right-dominated press.
Don't get me wrong, in the main journalism in the UK has descended into the sewer over the past few years, but his most loyal supporters couldn't, or wouldn't, see how divisive he was amongst the party's electorate.
BUT (and I'm a staunch remainer)
an equal, if not bigger, slice of humble pie needs to be eaten by the anti-Corbyn/centrist/ultra-remainer faction.
Having relentlessly undermined Corbyn for not being 'remain' enough and telling everyone that a different (i.e. more remain) leader would be 20 points ahead in the polls, it was clear by the third result last night that this was, and always had been, bullshit. (See Lib Dems for confirmation)
Yet centrists and Blairites are lining up to claim it was 100% Corbyn's fault.
Sadly no leader, especially a remainer, was going to stop Labour's leave-voting seats from going blue and this, more than anything , is what sunk them yesterday.
Labour foundered on the rocks of Brexit and it's clear now that, being the broadest party and so the most split on the issue, neither 'side' was going to win them an election on their own.
A leave policy would have lost remain seats, a remain policy have lost leave seats, as we saw in abundance last night.
A compromise policy was the most pragmatic route, but drew criticism from both sides and was ultimately not enough, even in 2017.
Sad as I am to say it, until Brexit is fully over, one way or another, Labour cannot and will not win another election.
It is what it is now.
In my view, for what it's worth, most of them need a dose of reality and humility after last night.
As someone sympathetic to Corbynism (i.e. democratic socialism) if not a particular fan of the man himself, I'd hoped that, by now, he'd have handed the baton over to someone younger and with less baggage. In the end, while he seemed fundamentally well-meaning and decent, he was just too naive, too much of a target for our right-dominated press.
Don't get me wrong, in the main journalism in the UK has descended into the sewer over the past few years, but his most loyal supporters couldn't, or wouldn't, see how divisive he was amongst the party's electorate.
BUT (and I'm a staunch remainer)
an equal, if not bigger, slice of humble pie needs to be eaten by the anti-Corbyn/centrist/ultra-remainer faction.
Having relentlessly undermined Corbyn for not being 'remain' enough and telling everyone that a different (i.e. more remain) leader would be 20 points ahead in the polls, it was clear by the third result last night that this was, and always had been, bullshit. (See Lib Dems for confirmation)
Yet centrists and Blairites are lining up to claim it was 100% Corbyn's fault.
Sadly no leader, especially a remainer, was going to stop Labour's leave-voting seats from going blue and this, more than anything , is what sunk them yesterday.
Labour foundered on the rocks of Brexit and it's clear now that, being the broadest party and so the most split on the issue, neither 'side' was going to win them an election on their own.
A leave policy would have lost remain seats, a remain policy have lost leave seats, as we saw in abundance last night.
A compromise policy was the most pragmatic route, but drew criticism from both sides and was ultimately not enough, even in 2017.
Sad as I am to say it, until Brexit is fully over, one way or another, Labour cannot and will not win another election.
It is what it is now.
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Re: Corbyn
lol
There will be time for working class solidarity in the future. For now, this is getting me through the day
There will be time for working class solidarity in the future. For now, this is getting me through the day
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I have to come to terms with the fact that because I won't abandon my 7 year old daughter, who lives with her mum, I'm stuck living in the heartland of Tory voting scumville. Were it not for that I'd be out of here like a fucking shot. I no longer identify as British or English. I'm now European, but trapped in Little England with the racists, the selfish and the brain dead. As the kids say, FML.
Slow down...
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If they had remained at the very least neutral on Brexit...
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But hindsight isn't of much value