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[Knifeyspooney]

OPNs soundtrack work is among his best. Good Time and Uncut Gems are straight up masterpieces.

[Geogandhi]

OPN is a weird one, some stuff is really good, I find myself going back to Russian Mind the most but some great stuff on most releases. GoD annoyed me though, felt like it jumped around for the sake of being quirky, sounded try hard and like he was flicking through presets on the Waldorf Microwave XT.
He's 50% great and 50% try hard with no substance for me.

[Echelon]

Now I'm confident we'll get new AFX on 2021 but as for BoC while I have no idea when it'll happen I just know for sure that they aren't done with making music, I think of their banner update as a "hello, we are not done yet, give it a bit longer "

This is really what I come away with too. With Aphex, it's more obvious, but with BOC it's more just a good feeling that something's around the bend.

I can guarantee that at least one of them will have a release in 2021. It just seems that we've gotten everything but them and Warp knows fans are clamoring for both.

[arvy]

Biden>Trump
next boc confirmed

[Echelon]

Biden>Trump
next boc confirmed

This crossed my mind.

Do you have an interest in environmental issues? And if so, would you ever consider taking an explicit position over such issues, e.g. releasing a protest song or making any strong statement on your website, or do you prefer staying away from the whole matter?

Marcus – Actually we hold fairly radical views about environmental and political issues. We just avoid being public about it within the context of the band. I think the moment a musician shows that they care, the moment they try to make a difference by using their success to communicate alternative political or environmental ideas to their audience, the mainstream press assassinate the band. I've seen it happen so many times, that I've learned I have to choose to either make music, or become an activist. The media doesn't really allow artists to do both.

[Josh]

They've actually been public about their views by sharing what books and writers they've read. Have you read any Dimitry Orlov or J.H. Kunstler? I think Marcus referred to them as "prophets". Anyway, Orlov gives off serious Russian disinfo agent vibes and the other guy is a far-right nutcase. I think if people really looked at what they've been telling us they might not like what they find.

[Navaru]

I believe I read that they are against globalization, not sure of that bleeds into them being nationalists though by any means.

[SamuraiDrifter]

I remember reading posts from someone close to the band on old newsgroups many years ago, joking that they thought BoC's subliminal messages would say "vote Labour." (Come to think of it, I think it was Cosmic Crofter).

BoC have mentioned people like Kunstler, but are also fans of Robert Anton Wilson, who was an avowed left-wing anarchist and wrote fairly significantly on that subject. Also, while Kunstler is currently a Trump supporter, Tomorrow's Harvest was released back in 2013 before Trump was even on the radar. At that point, while Kunstler had made some remarks belying his social conservatism, his writing was primarily concerned with the criticizing suburban sprawl and the coming collapse of civilization due to climate change and over-consumption of oil (Orlov is also interested in these subjects).

Also, anti-globalization is a position frequently found among leftists; global trade talks are frequently the targets of mass protests from unions, communists, and anarchists because of the loss of wages and jobs trade deals often result in for working class people (and the financial exploitation of developing countries they frequently entail). Sometimes, right-wing populists do try to jump on this bandwagon to feign some amount of class consciousness and appeal to the working poor to vote against their own interests.

If I had to guess, I'd say they're at the far anti-authoritarian end of the political spectrum, probably some brand of anarchist, though which economic camp they fall into, I'm not certain.

[Echelon]

Off-subject, but I've really come around to the new OPN. My mistake was not listening with headphones. With headphones, it's really a trippy production marvel and I can see why he's popular.

I've also come to understand his rather avantgarde approach to electronics- A lot of it comes from the Geogaddi school of thought. I feel he was really interested in making a whole genre out of A is to B is to C, just turning old jingles and commercials into a nightmarish byproduct of a bad acid trip. Considering Geogaddi is my favorite BOC album, I think he's doing a great job by continuing it.

I still don't like the Weekend or the rap guy guest spots, but that speaks of my old fart tastes more than anything. The rest is A-Ok by me.

[Josh]

I remember reading posts from someone close to the band on old newsgroups many years ago, joking that they thought BoC's subliminal messages would say "vote Labour." (Come to think of it, I think it was Cosmic Crofter).

BoC have mentioned people like Kunstler, but are also fans of Robert Anton Wilson, who was an avowed left-wing anarchist and wrote fairly significantly on that subject. Also, while Kunstler is currently a Trump supporter, Tomorrow's Harvest was released back in 2013 before Trump was even on the radar. At that point, while Kunstler had made some remarks belying his social conservatism, his writing was primarily concerned with the criticizing suburban sprawl and the coming collapse of civilization due to climate change and over-consumption of oil (Orlov is also interested in these subjects).

Also, anti-globalization is a position frequently found among leftists; global trade talks are frequently the targets of mass protests from unions, communists, and anarchists because of the loss of wages and jobs trade deals often result in for working class people (and the financial exploitation of developing countries they frequently entail). Sometimes, right-wing populists do try to jump on this bandwagon to feign some amount of class consciousness and appeal to the working poor to vote against their own interests.

If I had to guess, I'd say they're at the far anti-authoritarian end of the political spectrum, probably some brand of anarchist, though which economic camp they fall into, I'm not certain.

Excellent post, man. Your points are well taken. I never meant to insinuate that the bros were nationalists, only that they definitely don't fit neatly into the typical liberal/Labor Party category.

I've read more of Orlov than Kuntsler, and while I find Orlov's thoughts about how the former Soviet Union was much better prepared for collapse than the impending collapse of the U.S. fairly well reasoned, he always finds ways to take shots at not just the U.S. democratic process, but the whole concept of democracy in general. I find this pretty distasteful. That, coupled with his move back to Russia and lauding of Putin's authoritarianism really makes me wonder what his agenda is.

[Echelon]

MDG's endorsed a quote that sums up their art and stance on life. Honestly, I think BOC have been nothing but thoughtful with what statements they put forth in their music. They both simultaneously invite everyone to enjoy their world/music while still supporting artistic expression in its purest form.


I think that's a bit too cynical a take on things, and not the whole story. I think there's a strong libertarian streak running through all of BoC's work. But, unlike 60s hippies who naively felt that bucking authority and running free into the woods would lead to peace and love, BoC - with the hindsight of people who saw what the 70's wrought - realize that dark and dangerous things lurk in the woods. But you should go in anyway. I think BoC see themselves as guardians/proponents of the mysterious, which means everything shadowy and inchoate - the "pagan" world. A place where beauty and madness aren't that far from each other, and blissful communal living and brainwashed cultism are only a hair apart. I think at the time they made IABPOITC and Geogaddi they (or perhaps just Mike) were in a very dark spot, where they felt that a person like David Koresh, however delusional, was in fact an example of a truly "free thinker," and therefore worthy of some respect or re-evaluation. It's a radical and perhaps foolish stance, to say "however crazy he may have been, at least Koresh wasn't a conformist." In other words: madness may be preferable to conformity. But in todays world of government intruding ever more into our daily lives, this view makes as much sense as ever.

Basically I think their stance was anti-politically-correct. PCism says that it values multiple viewpoints, when in fact it is very narrow-minded. I think BoC were saying in their own way, that truly free thinking incorporates madness and mystery, where everything isn't spelled out in excruciatingly literal academic terms. I think they want to shake you up by confronting you with "cultlike" music. Whether they believe it or not is sort of beside the point; they are interested in your reaction. Most people probably don't get it or are afraid of it, instead of recognizing and appreciating the pull in the core of their being towards cultlike behavior (BoC worship being one example). BoC are not "safe." They are not just there to repackage nostalgic, sepia-toned images of your childhood. Or rather, they are there to preserve all of your childhood, including the parts you might rather forget: listening to adults argue; being betrayed by your first friend, blind puppy-love, humiliation. They want you to be both seduced and frightened by their music, and to recognize the fact that you are being seduced, and be frightened by your own reaction. They are masterful psychological manipulators; they make Aphex Twin's in-your-face antics seem childish by comparison.

IMO.

MDG: "finally a good understanding of what BOC do."

[ryetronics]

Another BS fake?

[drixlin]

To speak to Ech's quote above - it's no wonder they don't talk about their politics outwardly that much (I mean, they don't talk about ANYTHING that much, hahaha) - that type of belief system tends to get lumped in with any number of "political sides" and it's whole message gets twisted and turned beyond belief - depending on the lens it's looked through.

Definitely helps understand their reclusive nature and makes sense.

[NorthernPlastics]

Another BS fake?

Pretty likely, given that it's from the same channel who gave us the "Never Gonna Give You Up" remix. However, that's some pretty good handiwork putting a face on the woman from the MHTRTC cover.

[bungler666]

Another BS fake?

This must be your Music Has The RIght Fake, Geogandhi?

[Geogandhi]

haha, yeah, give me a chance to do a thread will ya Rye, you bellend

[SamuraiDrifter]

Hey Geo, if you're going to do a fake, make it the acoustic MHTRTC album, will ya? I want to hear it in some form or another.

[ryetronics]

haha, yeah, give me a chance to do a thread will ya Rye, you bellend

Haha, whoops! That's what happens when I subscribe to that channel!

[Sl Flk]

Biden>Trump
next boc confirmed

This crossed my mind.

Do you have an interest in environmental issues? And if so, would you ever consider taking an explicit position over such issues, e.g. releasing a protest song or making any strong statement on your website, or do you prefer staying away from the whole matter?

Marcus – Actually we hold fairly radical views about environmental and political issues. We just avoid being public about it within the context of the band. I think the moment a musician shows that they care, the moment they try to make a difference by using their success to communicate alternative political or environmental ideas to their audience, the mainstream press assassinate the band. I've seen it happen so many times, that I've learned I have to choose to either make music, or become an activist. The media doesn't really allow artists to do both.

WOOOAHHHH - I'd never read that quote.

[Echelon]

Biden>Trump
next boc confirmed

This crossed my mind.

Do you have an interest in environmental issues? And if so, would you ever consider taking an explicit position over such issues, e.g. releasing a protest song or making any strong statement on your website, or do you prefer staying away from the whole matter?

Marcus – Actually we hold fairly radical views about environmental and political issues. We just avoid being public about it within the context of the band. I think the moment a musician shows that they care, the moment they try to make a difference by using their success to communicate alternative political or environmental ideas to their audience, the mainstream press assassinate the band. I've seen it happen so many times, that I've learned I have to choose to either make music, or become an activist. The media doesn't really allow artists to do both.

WOOOAHHHH - I'd never read that quote.

I don't know why, but I feel Marcus is referring to Bono and U2 with this quote. It's who instantly jumps to my mind.