Fredd-E wrote:Can someone explain to me on a fundamental level how such a thing comes to life?
I assume $UICIDEBOY$ (or their label) have to clear their tracks, with regards to sample usage, and as such have to contact the rightsholder of EYDIAB (I assume Warp) to see if they're ok with this. And additionally, a % of royalties will have to be paid to Warp and subsequently to BoC?
Or can they use the sample and pay royalties and be done with it without permission?
Do you think BoC has something to say in all this?
I know it's not the first time this happens, but in this case, it's pretty prominent sample usage and also such a key song of theirs. Strange I think.
The artists use samples to create the track, then the record company should be clearing the sampled materials with the respective publishers and negotiating what percentage of the publishing the brothers get and if they get a writing credit. The brothers are likely to be able to veto if they disapprove, you sometimes hear about tracks that don’t get released because the artist couldn’t get sample clearance. That’s how it should work for something like this where the sample is obvious, however if it was a sample of a drum break or a short snippet the artists might play coy about it and not disclose or credit the sample.
Occasionally you hear of record companies or artists saying “fuck it” and releasing something with uncleared samples and then there can be retrospective legal action.
I am shocked that BoC gave permission to $UICIDEBOY$ to use the sample of such an iconic song. The song has such different vibe from what BoC represents or from what they do. I don't know if $UICIDEBOY$ offered a ton of money to Warp and them and decided to sell it or what.
A few years ago I mentioned that I felt that The Bros were somewhat milking the cow by selling t-shirts and re-releases and not offering a new album, just wanting fresh money. I respect that it is their music and can sell the sample to whoever they want, but it is just shocking to me to hear the nice Everything You Do Is A Balloon chopped up and misused or wasted in such a horrendous song by $UICIDEBOY$. It is like going to a Medieval Cathedral in Belgium and painting graffiti on the walls, columns, stained glass, and the Priest applauding and thinking: "Ow, this is going to bring more tourists to my Cathedral".
Anyways, they know better than me why they have sold it and they can do as they please with their tracks, but I feel kind of sad about it!
In September 2016, Canadian DJ and record producer Deadmau5 accused the duo of copyright infringement following the success of their song Antarctica (off of the 2016 mixtape Dark Side of the Clouds).[27] The song samples parts of Deadmau5's "I Remember", with Kaskade; the DJ lambasted the duo for this, claiming that Suicideboys were "publicizing other people's intellectual property without consent".[28]—
——Taken from Suicide boys Wikipedia.
Like him or not (totally personal preference) but I heard he likes the brothers (a lot) he may be referring to this situation.
Although this is just …….
I think these $uicideboy$ are aware of Bocs huge and dedicated fan base and they've done this simply to get people talking about them, get their song shared around more. I really don't think they are huge or dedicated fans themselves as the sampling seems a bit lackluster. I mean it's ok but it's not really very creative
The Spaniard wrote:I am shocked that BoC gave permission to $UICIDEBOY$ to use the sample of such an iconic song. The song has such different vibe from what BoC represents or from what they do. I don't know if $UICIDEBOY$ offered a ton of money to Warp and them and decided to sell it or what.
A few years ago I mentioned that I felt that The Bros were somewhat milking the cow by selling t-shirts and re-releases and not offering a new album, just wanting fresh money. I respect that it is their music and can sell the sample to whoever they want, but it is just shocking to me to hear the nice Everything You Do Is A Balloon chopped up and misused or wasted in such a horrendous song by $UICIDEBOY$. It is like going to a Medieval Cathedral in Belgium and painting graffiti on the walls, columns, stained glass, and the Priest applauding and thinking: "Ow, this is going to bring more tourists to my Cathedral".
Anyways, they know better than me why they have sold it and they can do as they please with their tracks, but I feel kind of sad about it!
I'm surprised they went this way too. They could easily get cash by selling me their unreleased music
That said, I don't like the song that sampled EYDIAB either but BOC are rap fans. They've said so themselves in interviews. Their music itself is pretty hip hoppy in places even if we BOC fans tend to think they're not as crass as something like this song.
I would trust BOC actually producing a hip hop album too. Good Friday and Treat Em Right are fantastic and I'm hardly what you'd call a hip hop fan.
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luminousdusk wrote:I think these $uicideboy$ are aware of Bocs huge and dedicated fan base and they've done this simply to get people talking about them, get their song shared around more. I really don't think they are huge or dedicated fans themselves as the sampling seems a bit lackluster. I mean it's ok but it's not really very creative
They have multiple songs with half a million plays on Spotify; they're big. BoC fans are small potatoes more than we'd like to think. Hell, BoC are still RDJ's shadow to a degree.
tvsr wrote:i almost hate to post this here...
but they do sample the beginning of everything you do is a balloon.
$UICIDEBOY$ x GERM - CENTER CORE NEVER MORE (Lyric Video)
This reminds me of the boc rap someone posted here a few months ago. Don't remember if it was in this thread.
I've done a few of those lmao
Really that $UICIDEBOY$ track wasn't nearly as painful as I expected, actually ended up grooving to it a few times. I appreciate how they didn't just rap over the main part of EYDIAB and actually re-contextualized the intro sample a bit. Also consider that one of BoC's cited influences is Wu-Tang Clan, maybe they gave the go-ahead because they actually enjoyed the track or maybe they're just having a laugh at the sheer absurdity of it all
If The Campfire Headphase was a butterfly, would Acid Memories be the caterpillar?
It dawned on me today that approving the sample could possibly be a 'test' (if Suicideboys didn't just fuck off and use it w/o permission). Think about it, it could be argued that Suicideboys is a dichotomy of what BoC "represents" (or that's what it can look like on the outside, anyways). They possibly gave the go-ahead to see what people would say when BoC was, like Jango put above, put into a different context/perspective. And what do you know? None of you liked it!
Something to think about.
steeldancer-x wrote:It dawned on me today that approving the sample could possibly be a 'test' (if Suicideboys didn't just fuck off and use it w/o permission). Think about it, it could be argued that Suicideboys is a dichotomy of what BoC "represents" (or that's what it can look like on the outside, anyways). They possibly gave the go-ahead to see what people would say when BoC was, like Jango put above, put into a different context/perspective. And what do you know? None of you liked it!
Something to think about.
Kind of funny you say this because a lot of people thought that Solange was a test or a dryrun for BOC with vocals. Some people got very mad but BOC said themselves in a Harvest interview that they were fine with it and thought it sounded like a James Bond song.
They're probably down with this and most hilariously, they managed to get some reactions. Though probably not as much ire as the Solange This Bird Down did.
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steeldancer-x wrote:They possibly gave the go-ahead to see what people would say when BoC was, like Jango put above, put into a different context/perspective. And what do you know? None of you liked it!
Something to think about.
I love hip-hop. I love BoC. A dedicated merge would be interesting. For instance a coop with The GZA from Wu-Tang. That's something completely different from a band sampling a key part of a highly popular BoC song and doing a sloppy thing with it. Potential lost.
What BoC does with Anticon is way more interesting.
