Robert F. Kennedy Jr 2024

[sh4neh4rris]

To my American friends, please consider giving RFKJR your vote. If you’ve never voted because you don’t like politics, 2024 could not be more important! He speaks the truth and is up against some major Corporate Corruption!
https://linktr.ee/kennedy24.com

[Orbited insanitarium]

Not a lucky name, Kennedy.

I hear he propagated a theory a while back linking vaccines to autism?

Brit here, I wouldn't prefer or could even say on who should be in power. Republicans have some downright barmy views, and the Democrats are a financially corrupt party, so couldn't side on either (I wouldn't mind being educated though).
Boys and toys.

[sh4neh4rris]

We need to get rid of Fauci. Regarding Covid, in case you didn’t know they leaked a biological weapon that not only killed but used it to force vaccines that didn’t work. Big pharma only wanted the money from the vaccines. Pfizer, BioNTech, Moderna, and Sinovac made 90 billion in profits on their COVID-19 vaccines and medicines in 2021 and 2022. Let me repeat 90 BILLION! RFKJR wants to get rid of things like that, shut down all the US military bases abroad and stop the useless spending on unnecessary wars. There are so many other good things he wants to do. The problem in the US is our government has been taken over by Corporations. The reason his uncle and father were assassinated is because they cared less about making money and more about humanity. It’s highly unlikely to happen to RFKJR now days because a lot of us are aware of what’s really going on.

[SonicDimension]

First Trump, and now this clown? Come on, let's put on our thinking caps and forget about all this conspiracy theory nonsense. I can understand why RFK Jr. looks for shadowy forces behind every event, since his father and uncle were both murdered when he was a child. Those events must have been very difficult for him to comprehend. It must be terribly embarrassing for his family to see him displaying his mental health issues to the world in this presidential campaign.

[sh4neh4rris]

What’s the alternative? Keep letting big pharma pawn the middle class for profit? Keep listening to Biden and Trump argue over issues that have nothing to do with anything productive? Bobby is actually an extremely educated man, very wise. He doesn’t have mental health issues. The truth is just extremely hard to accept for some. I don’t see Bobby attacking anyone or anything, just see a man that wants to create peace and end corporate corruption. Seems healthy to me. Have you researched what he did to the Hudson River? He is an environment lawyer so he went after many corporations that were dumping toxic waste there and cleaned it all up. Dude is a legend!
http://westviewnews.org/2023/05/13/robe ... view-news/

[arvy]

Talking plain and simply about forced vaccination and peace talk with Russia,

hold my bear friend, this is going to be monumental year for American history

[NTFMTS]

This thread is cursed. RFKjr is a whack job. There was no instance or case of mass forced vaccination. Of course "big pharma" is incentivized by $$$ because of capitalism. All the covid vax companies are motivated to make medicine for profit because that's how healthcare in America works. It's a very broken system, yeah, but that's America. Change comes from the inside of the system, not by creating fake enemies to perpetuate some psuedowar and in turn perpetuate stupid culture war nonsense. Making a big stink about "big pharma" and turning it into some enigmatic evil force is a waste of time and energy.

Yes the country is run by corporations, yes they're fucked up and should be prosecuted like people and held to account, but a lowkey conspiracy nut is not the solution to any of this. We need the (with a few exceptions maybe) geriatric people out of power

[SamuraiDrifter]

I don't vote.

Even the supposed "anti-establishment challengers" are just part of a shell game to route you back into participating in a system of control.

That said, I'd take RFK Jr. over major builders of the modern military/prison industrial complex (Biden) any day.

This thread is cursed. RFKjr is a whack job. There was no instance or case of mass forced vaccination.

So the government telling companies they have to give their employees a choice between taking a vaccine and getting fired doesn't count as coercion? In a country where you need a job to pay bills and survive? Regardless of your feelings on the efficacy or safety of the shots themselves, it's pretty hard to argue that's not forced.

[NTFMTS]

You lost me at "I don't vote." There is a difference between health incentives and the dream that covid vaccination was an indoctrination. You say it was coercion, but if that was the case, wouldn't there be mass quitting of jobs because of that rather than several strikes and gigantic layoffs from ceos? Since that didn't happen because of covid, there's no coercion. Your argument could also support the notion that people excersize their freedom to decide to quit or not if they were taking the ethics of vaccination seriously, either pro or anti vax

Also it's 2023, covid is endemic and is no longer a problem. It doesn't make sense why that's still such a talking point in politics. Also there's the fact that there were no medical consequences from any of the vaccines. Please don't @ me about the increase of cardiomyopathy in people who did get the vaccine argument, because that's usually where this conversation leads to. If that is the response, it's a false argument. Covid itself increases the risk, so getting the vaccine vs getting covid (it's nearly inevitable that everyone will get it at this point) leads to the same outcome.

[NTFMTS]

Also one last tidbit, RFKjr chirps cherry picked information and psuedoscience, and literally believes cellphones and wifi cause cancer. He claims it opens up the brain blood barrier and degrades the mitochondria, saying it causes "leaky brain." That's nuts. He also still repeats the debunked claim that thimerosal in vaccines causes autism. He said in his interview with Joe Rogan that the likelihood of getting autism from vaccines was around 10x the likelihood of getting lung cancer from smoking a pack a day. That is a crazy thing to say.

If you believe in his covid and big pharma campaign, you might want to consider that it's coming from a person that regurlarly espouses medical misinformation

[arvy]

Wow where’s still idiots who will defend this fake virus bullshit no matter what, it boils my blood

[NTFMTS]

Wow where’s still idiots who will defend this fake virus bullshit no matter what, it boils my blood

Wait so you think the virus is fake lol?? If that's the case and the cdc made it up or whatever you're saying, then explain how every single working doctor and nurse in every single country in the world collaborated to create a staged virus outbreak, and especially in America, which is a for-profit healthcare system. Why would american doctors and nurses conspire to do this if they wouldn't get paid, and hospitals would shutdown their most profitable wings?

If the virus is fake, then how are vaccines dangerous or a threat as RFKjr says, if they're made from a fake virus to begin with? Do you fully understand what you're saying? What even is your argument?

Also why do you care about the fake virus, if it's not real why are you even talking about it?

To put it nicely my fellow, you are brain broken, just like RFKjr

[NTFMTS]

Talking plain and simply about forced vaccination and peace talk with Russia,

hold my bear friend, this is going to be monumental year for American history

While I'm at it, I'll adress this ^ to help clear things up. If you think this is how this year / next year will go, you have no understanding of the history of American Politics. All Presidents are war criminals and despots. You think any President would ever have peace-talks with Russia? Do you know how the Military-Industrial-Complex works? There will never be peace with Russia because it is in the President's interest and our military's interests to continue to influence and fund wars across the world.

Also plain and matter of fact, there shouldn't be peace talk with Russia. The only thing that should happen is Ukrain wins the war. If that means the US contributes arms in part for proxy war, like I explained above, it is completely against American interests to achieve peace.

[SonicDimension]

peace talk with Russia

Polls show that most Americans support sending weapons to Ukraine. Trump, DeSantis, and RFK Jr. apparently did not get the memo. Or maybe they just enjoy being paid by fascist scumbags to peddle disinformation about the war.

[SamuraiDrifter]

You lost me at "I don't vote."

Ok

There is a difference between health incentives and the dream that covid vaccination was an indoctrination. You say it was coercion, but if that was the case, wouldn't there be mass quitting of jobs because of that rather than several strikes and gigantic layoffs from ceos? Since that didn't happen because of covid, there's no coercion. Your argument could also support the notion that people excersize their freedom to decide to quit or not if they were taking the ethics of vaccination seriously, either pro or anti vax

Lots of people *did* quit their jobs rather than get vaccinated. Also how is "they took the vaccine because they couldn't afford to lose their job" somehow an argument that the vaccine wasn't coerced? There were many people who did not want it and got it so they wouldn't lose their jobs. There are others who refused to take the vaccine and did lose their jobs, including doctors, nurses, and bioethics professors.

Also it's 2023, covid is endemic and is no longer a problem. It doesn't make sense why that's still such a talking point in politics. Also there's the fact that there were no medical consequences from any of the vaccines. Please don't @ me about the increase of cardiomyopathy in people who did get the vaccine argument, because that's usually where this conversation leads to. If that is the response, it's a false argument. Covid itself increases the risk, so getting the vaccine vs getting covid (it's nearly inevitable that everyone will get it at this point) leads to the same outcome.

I'm not making any comment whatsoever on the safety of the vaccine. I am not an anti-vaxxer and I haven't seen any convincing evidence that it's tied to myocarditis or sudden death. My argument is purely one of personal autonomy. In a society where you need to have a job to survive, having to do something as a condition of employment is absolutely a form of coercion. Especially when the government federally mandates it.

I believe in consistent personal autonomy. That means the freedom to receive medical procedures, such as abortion, or the freedom to refuse them, such as a vaccine. The State and your boss should have no say whatsoever on whether you accept a medical treatment, period.

[SamuraiDrifter]

Polls show that most Americans support sending weapons to Ukraine. Trump, DeSantis, and RFK Jr. apparently did not get the memo. Or maybe they just enjoy being paid by fascist scumbags to peddle disinformation about the war.

Is something morally correct if most Americans support it?

[Gazebo4]

peace talk with Russia

Polls show that most Americans support sending weapons to Ukraine. Trump, DeSantis, and RFK Jr. apparently did not get the memo. Or maybe they just enjoy being paid by fascist scumbags to peddle disinformation about the war.

Well most people are still living in fear and are very easily conditioned into believing any bullshit narrative so that doesnt't really say anything, although its slowly changing. The covid flu was a prime example of how subordinate people are and how people cannot critically think for themselves and trust "science", the government, media and big corporations.

Anyway, votes won't really matter anymore when our systems and institutions start to completely fail us pretty soon. Let us begin anew!

[arvy]

You lost me at "I don't vote."

Ok

There is a difference between health incentives and the dream that covid vaccination was an indoctrination. You say it was coercion, but if that was the case, wouldn't there be mass quitting of jobs because of that rather than several strikes and gigantic layoffs from ceos? Since that didn't happen because of covid, there's no coercion. Your argument could also support the notion that people excersize their freedom to decide to quit or not if they were taking the ethics of vaccination seriously, either pro or anti vax

Lots of people *did* quit their jobs rather than get vaccinated. Also how is "they took the vaccine because they couldn't afford to lose their job" somehow an argument that the vaccine wasn't coerced? There were many people who did not want it and got it so they wouldn't lose their jobs. There are others who refused to take the vaccine and did lose their jobs, including doctors, nurses, and bioethics professors.

Also it's 2023, covid is endemic and is no longer a problem. It doesn't make sense why that's still such a talking point in politics. Also there's the fact that there were no medical consequences from any of the vaccines. Please don't @ me about the increase of cardiomyopathy in people who did get the vaccine argument, because that's usually where this conversation leads to. If that is the response, it's a false argument. Covid itself increases the risk, so getting the vaccine vs getting covid (it's nearly inevitable that everyone will get it at this point) leads to the same outcome.

I'm not making any comment whatsoever on the safety of the vaccine. I am not an anti-vaxxer and I haven't seen any convincing evidence that it's tied to myocarditis or sudden death. My argument is purely one of personal autonomy. In a society where you need to have a job to survive, having to do something as a condition of employment is absolutely a form of coercion. Especially when the government federally mandates it.

I believe in consistent personal autonomy. That means the freedom to receive medical procedures, such as abortion, or the freedom to refuse them, such as a vaccine. The State and your boss should have no say whatsoever on whether you accept a medical treatment, period.

I did mine not because of fear loosing my job, which I quit anyway, but this was more a good hand gesture, trying be a decent human being.

Btw didn’t experienced any side effects, but this Christmas I got some sort of virus, just in a day a temperature raised to 42. If not a nurse friend who gave me antibiotics without receipt, I probably would die.

[NTFMTS]

To Samurai Drifter and Arvy, thanks for the responses (I'm lazy and don't want to quote a bunch of quoted quotations) and I agree with both of your points about the covid stuff. I also got the vax mostly because I didn't want to get it and give it any family or friends.

But at this point, all my friends, family and I did get covid

[NTFMTS]

Polls show that most Americans support sending weapons to Ukraine. Trump, DeSantis, and RFK Jr. apparently did not get the memo. Or maybe they just enjoy being paid by fascist scumbags to peddle disinformation about the war.

Is something morally correct if most Americans support it?

I think the point is more about the fact whether it's moral or not, peace talks are not on the table, as I mentioned above about American sentiment. It is not in the interest of politicians at all and especially the President(s) and the American Military to negotiate with Putin. The Military Industrial Complex thrives off of war, and in a way Ukrain is a proxy for US military operations. America thrives off of funding wars across the globe, and unfortunately, presidents are by in large war criminals and despots to varying degrees.

There shouldn't be peace talks between the US and Russia. The only thing that should happen is that Ukraine wins the war and Russia fucks off.