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scherdichnich wrote:Hi all, my first post here. I'm following up yesterday's reddit incident.

First of all: i am absolutely sure that the uploads of the 17 year old poster are legitimate mixing desk recordings of the ATP event. The boy came into posession of the CD by coincidence, completely naive and innocent - you can see that if you read the whole conversation. Anyway, unfortunately, the voices of the hoax conspiracy theorists are much louder (!) in the reddit forum... In the end the poster was deterred and annoyed by the strong headwinds. I think we f***** it up ourself.

I posted the following yesterday and apparently the post has been removed (after being aggressively commented by some). I post it here again since I hope to find some more open-minded and less sceptic people in this forum:

I adjusted the levels of thr ATP-7 aka "Noatak" (?) recording a little bit - to get more fun out of the bedroom>phone recording:

The transients are partly horrible sounding, perhaps too much compression overall - just a quick fix with headphones, I could not withstand. Hope you enjoy. Will try a better version when I'm in my studio.

At least it is: LOUDER! :D
how do people believe this hoax when the intro is so obviously incorrect pattern-wise compared to the real recordings of it (it's NOT about the compression or limiting it's literally the fact the last hihat in the pattern is supposed to be lower pitched)

even if you ignore audible audio composition & sound design (the snappiness of ATP-02 cannot possibly be so altered due to """room acoustics""") differences between the two, what are the odds some kid stumbles upon an MP3 CDr out of all things, allegedly given by boc (why would they give out a 125 track MP3 CDr instead of a regular audio CDr with less tracks), then out of ALL of these plays THREE which are all from the same liveshow and possible to remake by someone decent in sound design?
and what a coincidence that track 7 of the entire CD just so happens to be ATP-07

that's not all - OP on reddit said he doesn't know anything about boc, yet the first thing he brings up in the post is that the song he's listening to "has children's voices so it might be from hooper bay". doesn't know boc yet knows what hooper bay is? ok

and the most damning evidence to me, regardless of all that is one detail about how CDs work - OP clearly stated there is 125 tracks on this CDr which is simply impossible if you listen to his recordings - you can hear his CD player continously spin the CDr, which only happens with audio CDs and those contain a maximum of 99 tracks, not to mention those 99 tracks would have to fit within 80 minutes of audio. OP is lying and it's very damn clear. too bad because these are the best remakes of these tracks we've heard so far
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niski knows what he's talking about. Listen to him people.
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No more false idols
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The version of Noatak he played was the remake someone did that doesn't have the reversed breakbeat fills in it
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Orbited insanitarium wrote:niski knows what he's talking about. Listen to him people.
niski is one of the most talented people in the community, he co-created the hooper bay hoax, he also co-created the R35TT remaster, and made multiple discoveries on the old tunes.

niski knows his hoaxes, because he created one
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A lot of false idols apologize and move on, this one just did the latter.
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The only way we're going to hear their unreleased material is if they release it themselves.

Kids that grew up on lost media being just out there floating around just don't realise how different things were when this stuff would've been released.

Always the same "oh is it important? I don't know, i just found it on a CDR / mislabeled on limewire / in a thrift shop" from an account with no searchable history. Always sounding like the music we already know, no surprises.

They're not a major label act who really ever toured, didn't record at other studios, didn't really collaborate in a traditional way, didn't have a bunch of pro tools sessions lying around on a disk for an intern to nick. This stuff just isn't out there to find, sorry
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Negamuse wrote:The only way we're going to hear their unreleased material is if they release it themselves.
This! A thousand times This!

I've been hearing this same song and dance for a decade, and for Some others even longer. I'm tired of it.
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Hoaxing is such bad juju, and tiresome. Make music that is your own!
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tumuli_stump_jumper wrote:Hoaxing is such bad juju, and tiresome. Make music that is your own!
Life is too short.
Oh yeah, I remember, you were the guy who told biznasty to "foad" (if you know what that stands for, please don't say it again) after the Hooper Bay fake. Coincidentally, the fake was comprised of all original music in first place by him and niski. :wink:

To the rest of you at twoism.org, I wish you all a happy Chrimbo and a soylent night. To those who celebrate, don't spend Christmas Day talking about a reddit troll on here eh? Get stuffed (with turkey <:))
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Mistrust and we-know-it-all arrogance instead of a little more faith and recognition…
We’ve been close to receive something really interesting but we f***** it up badly.
The internet is evil.
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scherdichnich wrote:Mistrust and we-know-it-all arrogance instead of a little more faith and recognition…
We’ve been close to receive something really interesting but we f***** it up badly.
The internet is evil.
Get over it, enjoy Christmas.
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Merry x-mas all and a happy soylent night
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mGardener wrote: Get over it, enjoy Christmas.
Hehe, just missed the best present…
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Fake or not, these are the best cleanups/remakes I've heard of these tracks.
Shame...
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Apologies orbited. Don't mean to come off as a dick. I'm just tired of deception/lies masquerading as “truth”. I was impressed by the quality of music biz and niski created just not the delivery mechanism.

Merry holiday all. <:D
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If there's ever a real BOC leak no one's gonna believe it.
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bocbocbocboc wrote:If there's ever a real BOC leak no one's gonna believe it.
Real BoC leaks will sound unmistakably BoC, no ambiguity is possible.
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Fredd-E wrote:
bocbocbocboc wrote:If there's ever a real BOC leak no one's gonna believe it.
Real BoC leaks will sound unmistakably BoC, no ambiguity is possible.
Sure, just like the ATP sounddesk recordings…

(statement valid for both quotes)
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Let it go mate. The guy could have just posted his tunes on YouTube or something and got his recognition. He got himself shut down. Complain to him about it.
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luminousdusk wrote:Let it go mate. The guy could have just posted his tunes on YouTube or something and got his recognition. He got himself shut down. Complain to him about it.
Took a while before I finally decided to reply…

Nah, by coincidence I was (and still am) in touch with the very sweet and unbiased OP literally from the moment of his initial post, gave him positive feedback and motivation for the first file he shared on YT - and then the wolf pack of all-knowing hoax sceptics came into play, simultaneously with the craving "hoygrail! holygrail!" fanatics. No surprise the innocent kid was put off. With a bit of empathy and recognition instead of aggressive resonance, we would now have clean ATP recordings and other “lost”material (…for reasons I know for sure that it is there). I can only hope that the stuff will turn up soon anyway elsewhere.

That's why I'm not at all complaining to the OP, but to the self-aggrandising community.

“Open the light”

PS with all due respect to niski's et al achievements and experiences: the stated "arguments" are also nothing more than subjective perceptions and theories.
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