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Hello everyone. I've been a member here since the beginning :) With a profound passion for the fantastic art our favourite brothers conjures up! I have not been so active writing here lately, been in readonly mode, but I've noticed the repeated ideas about a space theme for the next LP due to the Pioneer Plaque-post etc.

Well, ok, so I thought that this might be relevant due to that. And I could't find an own thread about this, so I thought why not. But.. this is a very sensitive topic since many are so convinced in either direction truth/bullshit which often polarizes discussions strongly. I I hope we can avoid that, no way of knowing without trying. But.. how do I start.. I completely get if you don't believe me now, but I truly believe, I'd actually like to use the word - know, that I have a lot of good real knowledge on this confusing topic in me or my close network, if anyone have questions I'll try to answer as best I can!

After a life-long hobby interest, things have really intensified in recent years where I've put a half-time+ engagement into this, which has been possible due to low monthly expenses and saved cash from my 15+ years double engineer + artist careers.

Suddenly I've become national coordinator in Sweden for the Citizens For Disclosure project for New Paradigm Institute (led by highly regarded US lawyers, previously involved in cases as the Watergate-scandal that ended Nixon's presidency, the Iran/Contra-affair with Reagan, Pentagon Papers, Harrisburg nuclear accident, human rights for indigenous north-americans, and more, that now represent the top level whistleblowers that have testified under oath recently - Grusch, Elizondo, Gallaudet - plus Karl Nell and coming names not announced yet).

The truth is... out, it's here :)
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Wow chzi, sounds cool!

If you're open to sharing more, I'd love to hear about the latest developments within the project. Could you explain more about what your role entails?
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In light of recent events, I feel this track is most appropriate

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These is so much goig on´, despite what media say, "I SEE DRONES", the flap startin on NOV 16TH is still ongoing, despite what view Sens,

Ivsent the following summary of my situation to a prominent american produser and host, after a recent meeting where we disused a full show with me soon,.

https://we.tl/t-J88uh2h30e

I also dearly recomenmd this podcast, a leap into the future
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I assume the opening post was about UAP/UFOs? None of these American UAP whistle-blowers are real whistle-blowers à la Edward Snowden, who leaked specific information which clearly compromised national security. Unless these UAP whistle-blowers are prepared to leak specific and detailed information they should just be quiet. I don't believe a word from them.
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Well, Miltronic - nice try, but what is fake here I think differently from you.

UPDATE

Recently, I wrote an open letter to European journalists, here goes;

Please share at will,

I understand that there is a lot to keep track of. There is a lot going on all the time out there in the world, and here at home.

We are pretty good at keeping up with what is happening over there in the US of A, aren't we?

But you all seem to have categorically, with a few exceptions, missed the UFO hearings in Congress over there on July 26, 2023, November 13, 2024 and yesterday, September 9, 2025.

Sad, as the subject is huge on various alternative platforms. And - at this level - genuine, real, and incredibly interesting.

What the twelve whistleblowers who have now testified, and under oath, say - can you check out for yourself if you want.

But it is about the big questions, like our place in the universe and what we are doing here on Earth, etc.

Things that most people have been curious about at all times.

Could you perhaps report on that? And debate about it? Time to bring this up in a new light now.

Feels generally valid, as important social information that we should start to take in a little more broadly now before the outside world runs away from us in terms of knowledge. Or we run away from ourselves into all sorts of false conspiracy theories. (Unlike this true conspiracy)

Because it's not like (as friends of friends and acquaintances claim) that many of you have been asked to barely report on this?

We live in a society with freedom of expression, right?

We're not doing censorship (psychological kind) regarding UFOs of all subjects, right?

Is there a tacit agreement, a kind of secret directive that states that the subject should be avoided in the media unless our national frontrunnin (intelligence community controlled)-UFO leaders is puppeteering the strings so the reporting is done "right" *cough cough*

I'm just wondering.

/A concerned citizen named Christian
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It isn't 1997 anymore when anyone cared about UFOs or "UAP" as it's now called. You're thirty years too late. Everyone is royally fed up of the teasing now about what the government does or doesn't know. I'm of the opinion that there is sod all to disclose actually, apart from sophisticated Electronic countermeasure (ECM) technology which has been refined and possibly stealth blimps which utilise ECM. There are no aliens or reverse engineered UFOs, it's an industry to sell hack books and probably during the Cold War there was an information warfare campaign designed to monitor the Ufology community in case it was infiltrated by Soviet agents.
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Well, as an enthusiast myself, I find that My thrill of yesteryears about the subject has waned more and more as My knowledge has grown. I am of an age where I saw the fads come and go (rods anyone?) and what we are left with are lots and lots of vaporware despite basically 90% of humans having a smart phone with capable camera in hand, and all the CCTV and global surveillance that has been multiplied a hundredfold in the last decade.

I have yet to see anything convincing, add to that the primal question of: you cross vast distances, risk much, reach a place, and whoops, play hide and seek? Furthermore, I know that ET Superintelligence would be totally alien, but that just seems silly. I don't want to deal with silly or inept ETs.

Do I believe in ET and Intelligent ET, yes, do I think that they have any means to get here, no. Plus, their silence is becoming really uncomfortable (for better or worse)

Anwyays, just my thoughts on the subject.
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whats going on in here?
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magrathea_ultima wrote: Anwyays, just my thoughts on the subject.
Thoroughly agree with what you said.

It always strikes me when working in the garden, if I take a random hand of soil how its teeming with life. Now take that hand of lively soil, divide it into 100 parts, add another 100 parts that is just dead rocks and spread them so there is a lightyear of distance between each. I see no way any isopods are going to find one in another part, even if they could walk there for generations or with jet engines. I do like the idea of generation-ships. This is the only way I can see us landing on other planets though its kind of depressing to think many many lives would be spent solely on a spaceship. We could propagate throughout the universe like dandelions.

The large distance is such a shame because I would looooove to meet some aliens, the weirder the better. Even ones that would want to enslave or destroy humanity like the ones in Independence Day would be very welcome. That would unify earth as we'd have a new us-vs-them dynamic (we can trade racism in for speciism, which is also terrible but at least I wouldn't have to deal with it as often). I think we as a species should definitely stop the infighting between languages, cultures and countries and focus on moving forward as a harmonic planet. We can focus our military on protecting our planet because right now we're pretty much broadcasting our secrets outwards for anyone alien to pick up on. I guess this is called globalism? In that case I'm all for it.

Also makes me wonder if a UFO psy-op would be a good way to nuke cities from orbit without any repercussions. The attacker just needs to make sure everyone believes there's aliens making threats from somewhere in our solar system. Cool idea for a war movie, kind of like Capricorn One? Some superpower builds a fake megastructure facade in space that transmits angry "alien" messages.

Also also, I wonder if the large distance between stars is the universe's way of loading and generating new stars and planets. This is how I generate virtual universes.
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A lot is going on, what can I say :)

The official route is ramping up towards public Disclosure in the distant future 2030-34 or so. The recent release of The Age Of Disclosure documentary is a mile stone (it's from one of three concurrent American/anglosaxon perspectives [Majic-12/Zodiak, Freeemasonry, new wave] so, do with it as thou will.. I'd be careful with the "threat"-narrative as it is likely propaganda, but the documentary is a good watch to get one side of the narrative at least, you'll find it now on Amazon Prime to buy/rent or on pirate bay sites if that's your thing

And for the ones who wanna go a bit deeper into what's happening fully I'll just leave you with some links

https://www.asirp.org
https://alliance4et.org


/ https://linktr.ee/ufo_christianseance
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strange fruit wrote:It isn't 1997 anymore when anyone cared about UFOs or "UAP" as it's now called. You're thirty years too late. Everyone is royally fed up of the teasing now about what the government does or doesn't know. I'm of the opinion that there is sod all to disclose actually, apart from sophisticated Electronic countermeasure (ECM) technology which has been refined and possibly stealth blimps which utilise ECM. There are no aliens or reverse engineered UFOs, it's an industry to sell hack books and probably during the Cold War there was an information warfare campaign designed to monitor the Ufology community in case it was infiltrated by Soviet agents.
This.

Also, as someone who has worked at an airport for a loooooong time, including countless overnight shifts where I don't have much to do but look at the sky, I've never seen anything that I couldn't explain or seemed "alien" at all.

When the late, great Glen Campbell determined there was nothing but military stuff going on at Area 51 after spending years doing real research, that basically put an end to my curiosity and any belief I had that the government was covering up contact with aliens.
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Josh, strange fruit, magrathea_ultima, Cupz:

"Disclosure fatigue" is a well known tactic according to insiders to steer public interest away. To hint at revelations coming that then just fizzle out. It has worked extremely well to make a lot of people disengage with the subject.

You are dismissing what you haven't experienced yourself, completely natural and rational. Why would an airfield employee or pilot see something truly anomalous in their life? I think real experiences are very rare. Many serious researchers also turn against the believers who think that every mysterious light in the sky is a craft. Most observations can be explained prosaically, of course. But then there's always those thousands and thousands of sober witnesses who in a group of people experienced something they claim to be out of this world and who stick to their story all their life. To think that ALL these experiencers made it up or completely misunderstood is extremely narrow-minded if you ask me.

I'd love to read a paper from a sceptic trying to stitch together an alternative theory explaining the by far most superior case, the events in Varginha, Brazil (January 1996). Now that the group of doctors involved have stepped forward and witnessed in James Fox's newly released "Moment of Contact: New Revelations" (22 dec 2025). How would that theory look: CIA and Brazil military blocking a major city for staging a week long fake alien hunt, convincing doctors to stay silent for 30 years and then talk, etc etc.. then you're really lost in conspiracy theory thoughts I'd say.

I'd be wary to believe any researcher such as Glen Campbell to be 100% correct, the full truth is too vast to ge grasped by a single person. "Real research", hmm, I find it funny to review certain research as real, just shows your bias.

If you're waiting for our governments / NASA to make announcements, as I've already stated, you'll have to wait until 2030-34 according to the current plan for controlled disclosure. Of course Grusch, Elizondo et al are state approved whistleblowers, just read between the lines of what they are saying, they are basically admitting it themselves, far from Snowden, Assange,... But there are others, who are in prison like Charles McNeal or why not the Immaculate Constellation-leaker Matthew Brown who's completely cut off from the government disclosure-circus and was represented by journalist Michael Schellenberger instead of being allowed to be in one of the hearings himself.

If you think that the current level of mainstream human science is enough to understand the limits and possibilities of all of reality I think you are making a mistake. Not only mystics and philosophers but also many of our most esteemed physicists have hinted at consciousness being fundamental, opposing materialism, our modern status quo. And science seems to be catching up slowly. The Koch/Chalmers debate has recently been updated. The prominent Norwegian-Swedish nanotechnology chair professor Maria Strømme recently published a remarkable article "Universal consciousness as foundational field: A theoretical bridge between quantum physics and non‑dual philosophy." etc etc.

The science world is also having trouble coming up with alternative explanations for the results recently published by my buddy Swedish Dr Beatriz Villarroel in Nature, distinct findings of objects with reflecting surfaces in orbit pre-Sputnik on astronomical plates from the 50ies that are 40% more likely to appear near nuclear tests and waves of UFO sightings..

And then we of course have the peruvian mummies, where one fake, probably intelligence community-crafted, led to a massive operation mockingbird-style media push which left almost everyone globally having the impression that this was a nothingburger, while scientists all over the world now are studying and finding no signs of manipulation, unknown DNA, unique fingerprint patterns etc of the actual mummies, see tridactyls.org and peer reviews are under way.

I don't know about the statistical probability here, but just a single case out of all needs to be a true visitation by a non-local lifeform in time/experience/space for all this topic to be extremely relevant and urgent for us here on Earth today.. you're free to turn a blind eye to all this of course and I won't :)
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Why do we need to wait for the government to tell us anything? You look, you see, you know
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luminousdusk wrote:Why do we need to wait for the government to tell us anything? You look, you see, you know
While I don't think you need to wait for a government to tell you anything... No, I'm sorry you can not just look, see and know. That's not how the scientific method works and not how you can determine what is real or even if you are dreaming or not.


Chzi, science is merely a way of determining "these exact same things happen under the same circumstances". It is not some kind of unified institution. It doesn't have to "catch-up" or "explain" anything, and its not trying to create a narrative. Most of science is just really really smart people doing experiments, all over the world and writing down their results.
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I happen to have seen things that, in the day I could not explain nor understand but as someone who is used to look up for my love of astronomy and cosmology, I would say that I have more experience in that as the average bloke.

But what is experience if you don’t also have a set of tools to anchor your experience and observations into something that is factual and not part of agenda xy or z?

Science is not another belief as some people seem to claim, it is a set of tools used to understand reality and the universe, human organs are terrible at being objective and precise when it comes to sense perception. So you need the tools of science to sharpen your data acquisition and of course, as more data and knowledge is amassed you refine and at times also can make an educated conclusion.

If aliens visit, trust me, they would make it known , come on, cross the chasm between the stars only to come crash here on some lost back road where the local drunk is going to be the only witness?

If that’s how space aliens do, then I don’t want any of it, no one wants inept space aliens!
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Cupz wrote:
luminousdusk wrote:Why do we need to wait for the government to tell us anything? You look, you see, you know
While I don't think you need to wait for a government to tell you anything... No, I'm sorry you can not just look, see and know. That's not how the scientific method works and not how you can determine what is real or even if you are dreaming or not.


Chzi, science is merely a way of determining "these exact same things happen under the same circumstances". It is not some kind of unified institution. It doesn't have to "catch-up" or "explain" anything, and its not trying to create a narrative. Most of science is just really really smart people doing experiments, all over the world and writing down their results.
There are different scientific methods. Occam's razor for example - think about it, it is really agnostic, the world view you bring in says most of all. I am so tired of positivists, not even realizing that materialism is falsified since a century and that it's worshiping the method that is totalitarian.. no other methods can compare to it according to itself. This is of course the foundation of all the big national movements during our industrialisation. So zooming out is a bit tricky kids :)
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magrathea_ultima wrote:chzi

I happen to have seen things that, in the day I could not explain nor understand but as someone who is used to look up for my love of astronomy and cosmology, I would say that I have more experience in that as the average bloke.

But what is experience if you don’t also have a set of tools to anchor your experience and observations into something that is factual and not part of agenda xy or z?

Science is not another belief as some people seem to claim, it is a set of tools used to understand reality and the universe, human organs are terrible at being objective and precise when it comes to sense perception. So you need the tools of science to sharpen your data acquisition and of course, as more data and knowledge is amassed you refine and at times also can make an educated conclusion.

If aliens visit, trust me, they would make it known , come on, cross the chasm between the stars only to come crash here on some lost back road where the local drunk is going to be the only witness?

If that’s how space aliens do, then I don’t want any of it, no one wants inept space aliens!
Hmm. Let's zoom out, I wrote this the past week; https://christianseance.substack.com/p/ ... ous-drones

Yesterday I met my old mentor Björn L, global director of Mensa 2019-2024, and I talk to the lawyers and/of the whistleblowers and people who are working on this. Sitting at home by youtube does not do real science. Look up my friend Dr Beatriz Villarroel, the real life Contact-Jodie Foster. It's real, and you're wasting a chance to hear from someone who has spent 7 years in the inner circle of this, and happens to be a major BoC fan. But you do you..

You're making all these fundamental assumptions as they're a given - like positivism and materialism? Well, they've already deeply questioned and falsifed by several Nobel prizes, wake up, among experts Science is not democratic, a popular vote.. doesn't matter if it's 99,9% for, if it's still falsified since a century.

"If aliens visit..?" I trust that you have no idea what you're writing about. As alien civilisations in our shared physical Universe clearly has visited us at some occasions already like in Varginha (1996), Ruwa (1994) and Westall (1966). But this is not as you think, as former NASA-Kevin Knuth et al writes in 2019: it takes 5 days to travel to our next star with the G as observerd in 2004 at Nimitz encounter. Not so vast distances anymore ...on the other side of that veil you just coming out of perhaps?

You'll see :)
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