Inferno song title speculation

[Redd Panderson]

I can join you in em dash solidarity. For a while, the writing style used for my job asked us to avoid semicolons, but em dashes were fine--this was before LLM times. I think genAI is an exploitative monstrosity, so it's a bummer that it's become one of the yellow flags to prompt a closer look when something looks AI-generated.

At any rate, I'm glad to see the LLM material has been addressed on the BOC Pages page for Inferno. Also, all the numerical things with this album is nuts. This stuff about adding up all the characters + spaces and whatnot is wild.

[Den]

I use a single dash - like this.

[Corvix]

For titles "Somewhere Right Now in the Future" is very interesting to me, how can this be possible?

Right now we are looking at Inferno artstyle, discussing inferno song titles etc yet it's our future.


Could be similar to the idea conveyed by "Tomorrow's Harvest".

[Wildfire]

This is obviously the output of an LLM.

The double dashes gives it away.

(and the nauseating conversation style obv, sorry OP).

Idk if that's AI but I have been double dashing for ages its a good way to parse ideas within ideas -- is this a banable offense? Big ups to double dahsers that are not AI in this thread maybe use a semi colon not to piss off anybody

My bad actually, I meant em dash, not double dash. Basically a long dash.

[Redd Panderson]

For titles "Somewhere Right Now in the Future" is very interesting to me, how can this be possible?

Right now we are looking at Inferno artstyle, discussing inferno song titles etc yet it's our future.


Could be similar to the idea conveyed by "Tomorrow's Harvest".

I bet the book The End Of Time by physicist Julian Barbour holds some answers to this question. The final track title on Inferno, "I Saw Through Platonia," seems to reference it. "Platonia" is a hypothetical timeless realm/way of looking at the universe. From the Wikipedia article on him:


"His 1999 book The End of Time advances timeless physics: the controversial view that time, as we perceive it, does not exist as anything other than an illusion, and that a number of problems in physical theory arise from assuming that it does exist. He argues that we have no evidence of the past other than our memory of it, and no evidence of the future other than our belief in it. 'Difference merely creates an illusion of time, with each individual moment existing in its own right, complete and whole.' He calls these moments 'Nows'. It is all an illusion: there is no motion and no change. He argues that the illusion of time is what we interpret through what he calls 'time capsules', which are 'any fixed pattern that creates or encodes the appearance of motion, change or history'."

[Fredd-E]

Yeah, now that I actually look closer, I can't miss it either. I was under the impression BOCPages had a bit stronger curation of information to avoid this?

The use of AI wasn’t relevant in 2013, and this time it happened without my knowledge. It’s difficult to be everywhere at once. bocpages encompasses more than just the wiki.
Are you interested in joining the bocpages editors group to patrol the wiki and create new content?

[Redd Panderson]

Yeah, now that I actually look closer, I can't miss it either. I was under the impression BOCPages had a bit stronger curation of information to avoid this?

The use of AI wasn’t relevant in 2013, and this time it happened without my knowledge. It’s difficult to be everywhere at once. bocpages encompasses more than just the wiki.
Are you interested in joining the bocpages editors group to patrol the wiki and create new content?

Sorry Fredd-E, I meant no disrespect! I see how much work you have cut out for you. As for joining, I'll have to think about it.

[Quiller]

In the film Logan's Run Capricorn 15's are those scheduled to undergo the ritual sacrifice of Carousel.

[Corvix]

Dear Glen_Gog I've thought about your Somewhere Right Now In The Future enigma for a while, now this is what I can tell.
In my previous post I gave some indications about timeline of events that I reproduce here :

5. Father And Son (circa 1977)
6. Somewhere Right Now In The Future , entering Hell
7. Naraka
8. Acts Of Magic
9. Memory Death
10. The Word Becomes Flesh
11. Into The Magic Land
12. Blood In The Labyrinth at Phlegethon river, 7th circle of hell
13. Deep Time
14. All Reason Departs meeting Satan in the 9th and last circle then escaping
15. Arena Americanada ended up in another hemisphere.
Note:
(I'm putting this out so you know about my thought process, the following observation can be made independantly anyway)

Now rereading the book "Inferno" by Dante I realized that at Canto X he meets a guy that explains :

a) people in hell can see the far future very clearly
b) they are blind to the present (they need other people to tell them current affairs)
c) there's a process : as the future becomes present their memory of it dies

Furthermore, it's quite clear at many places in the book that
d) people in hell can see the past, but not in a clear and prophetic way, only their own past (this is as a punishment)

Now Dante doesn't exactly describe the eyeball of the damned,
but the artstyle seems to follow that narrative too.
Some pictures appear very clearly, they are in the future (Canadian Museum Of War abandoned in a postapocalyptic desert),
some pictures are just veil of colors : the present.
some pictures are one own's small clarity, like the child picking flowers : the past.

[Den]

Good reading.

I also want to add Mike mentioning ferns in an interview.

[Glen_Glog]

I can join you in em dash solidarity. For a while, the writing style used for my job asked us to avoid semicolons, but em dashes were fine--this was before LLM times. I think genAI is an exploitative monstrosity, so it's a bummer that it's become one of the yellow flags to prompt a closer look when something looks AI-generated.

At any rate, I'm glad to see the LLM material has been addressed on the BOC Pages page for Inferno. Also, all the numerical things with this album is nuts. This stuff about adding up all the characters + spaces and whatnot is wild.

yeah there is a reason its used by LLM because its perfect -- it kind of wanks everything up for us lads

[Glen_Glog]

I use a single dash - like this.

very cool. had a few coastie friends always called it a "tack"

[Corvix]

I bet the book The End Of Time by physicist Julian Barbour holds some answers to this question. The final track title on Inferno, "I Saw Through Platonia," seems to reference it. "Platonia" is a hypothetical timeless realm/way of looking at the universe.

The way I look at it now : glen_gog was right,
6. Somewhere Right Now In The Future
cannot be in spacetime, can only exist in
some hypothetical timeless hell ;

one message from altruizine cites Michael Sandison saying he is fascinated by a similar theory than the one you mention, by hellish colleague Max Tegmark (Barbour wrote a review for Tegmark's book, same galaxy).

Note also that we escape from it at some point :
17. You retreat in time and space

I will retreat myself for a few weeks
Hope to see you twoists at the fern bar (yeah, those were a thing in the 70s) end of may.

[Glen_Glog]

Dear Glen_Gog I've thought about your Somewhere Right Now In The Future enigma for a while, now this is what I can tell.
In my previous post I gave some indications about timeline of events that I reproduce here :

5. Father And Son (circa 1977)
6. Somewhere Right Now In The Future , entering Hell
7. Naraka
8. Acts Of Magic
9. Memory Death
10. The Word Becomes Flesh
11. Into The Magic Land
12. Blood In The Labyrinth at Phlegethon river, 7th circle of hell
13. Deep Time
14. All Reason Departs meeting Satan in the 9th and last circle then escaping
15. Arena Americanada ended up in another hemisphere.
Note:
(I'm putting this out so you know about my thought process, the following observation can be made independantly anyway)

Now rereading the book "Inferno" by Dante I realized that at Canto X he meets a guy that explains :

a) people in hell can see the far future very clearly
b) they are blind to the present (they need other people to tell them current affairs)
c) there's a process : as the future becomes present their memory of it dies

Furthermore, it's quite clear at many places in the book that
d) people in hell can see the past, but not in a clear and prophetic way, only their own past (this is as a punishment)

Now Dante doesn't exactly describe the eyeball of the damned,
but the artstyle seems to follow that narrative too.
Some pictures appear very clearly, they are in the future (Canadian Museum Of War abandoned in a postapocalyptic desert),
some pictures are just veil of colors : the present.
some pictures are one own's small clarity, like the child picking flowers : the past.

The past inside the present, also this reminds me of Phil Dick's post dental visions all this stuff happening at the same time or something, with religious overtones

[Scories]

You all seem to believe that the term ‘Inferno’ refers to the belief in a place of eternal torment. But in general, the word seems to be used more often in the context of fire, such as a large bonfire (which is a recurrent them in their music). Fire is often used as a metaphor for purification, or to evoke the idea of a fresh start. In fact, I don’t see anything particularly sinister about the cover.
Moreover, the Latin term ‘Inferno’ simply meant ‘the lower regions’, with no reference to heat. It was once used to describe death and the grave where mortals end up. For the time being, we can only speculate.

[Den]

Yes, I’ve been fixated on the word ‘fern’ in a similar sense because it evokes the outdoors, bonfires, etc.

[demodex]

Yes, I’ve been fixated on the word ‘fern’ in a similar sense because it evokes the outdoors, bonfires, etc.

Ferns are also so old that we can date them back to 360 MILLION years ago and we can track when different changes in the biosphere happened with their fossils/prints.

[Den]

Yes, I’ve been fixated on the word ‘fern’ in a similar sense because it evokes the outdoors, bonfires, etc.

Ferns are also so old that we can date them back to 360 MILLION years ago and we can track when different changes in the biosphere happened with their fossils/prints.

Deep Time.

[GeoDose]

You all seem to believe that the term ‘Inferno’ refers to the belief in a place of eternal torment. But in general, the word seems to be used more often in the context of fire, such as a large bonfire (which is a recurrent them in their music). Fire is often used as a metaphor for purification, or to evoke the idea of a fresh start. In fact, I don’t see anything particularly sinister about the cover.
Moreover, the Latin term ‘Inferno’ simply meant ‘the lower regions’, with no reference to heat. It was once used to describe death and the grave where mortals end up. For the time being, we can only speculate.

Good sir.... 'Naraka,' track 7, literally means 'Hell' in Indian religions.

Track titles like 'The Word Becomes Flesh' and 'Blood in the Labyrinth' are super sinister, that can't be denied.

This will not be a happy-go-lucky album, lol.

[Redd Panderson]

You all seem to believe that the term ‘Inferno’ refers to the belief in a place of eternal torment. But in general, the word seems to be used more often in the context of fire, such as a large bonfire (which is a recurrent them in their music). Fire is often used as a metaphor for purification, or to evoke the idea of a fresh start. In fact, I don’t see anything particularly sinister about the cover.
Moreover, the Latin term ‘Inferno’ simply meant ‘the lower regions’, with no reference to heat. It was once used to describe death and the grave where mortals end up. For the time being, we can only speculate.

I don't think these reads are necessarily mutually exclusive. If I'm not mistaken, Dante's Inferno does have a layer of purification. The kind that comes from facing one's demons and "going through the fire" to emerge from the other side cleansed and renewed. Phoenix rising from the ashes, that whole thing