05. Father And Son

[Alvin]

I’ve found with this album, if it’s not hitting for you, you’re not listening loud enough.

[Jango9]

"I think that's wonderful"

Aye, from the moment I first heard that line repeated at the listening party I knew that was gonna be the new big thing hahaha. This one kicks ass, had the whole room grooving hardcore. I audibly exclaimed "That was groovy as fuuuuck, man!" afterwards as they were flipping the record over. The only thing I knew about this one going in is that it was supposedly like a "boards of canada rap" and it delivered in a fashion that caught me very off guard lmfao

Couldn't make out the "lyrics" too clearly in the moment but upon further analysis what I get from this track is something along the lines of a newly born again holy roller type (in this case sampled from an actual literal cult member who left their family to join the cult) going around telling everyone how he loves "the lord" more than any physical being to the point where it's causing problems in his day-to-day existence. He's being all weird and fanatical and fighting with anyone who disagrees (such as his father, mother, brother, etc.) about little details of "how God works" that don't matter that much to humans in the grand scheme of things. I think there's also some implications of him being a massive hypocrite and not actually following the teachings of Jesus. The "son" sarcastically retorts against the "father"'s holy rolling rhetoric with "I think that's wonderful! But then why can't you bring that same feeling home?" to which the "father" responds by getting all confrontational and acting like the question itself was an affront to God. Very interesting stuff, not sure how close my interpretation is but that's what I got!

tl;dr:
I think that's wonderful!

[astral deeps]

I saw a tweet claiming it was the Adobe Speech Enhancer used on the vocals. I don’t think so. I know this type of thing could be done in many DAWs, but I believe they’re using the Roland VP-9000 or Roland V-Synth which has the same vocal phrase processing abilities. For Bibio fans, he has used it for his strange Vocoder-y parts on some of his Warp stuff. So, you are supposed to sample a vocal phrase, like speech, and can tune it and stretch it in many ways. It has some insane sounding glitch artifacts, and can be used as a basic Psuedo-vocoder as well. Notably I hear a lot of artifacts on the tape hiss from the samples on the record, and while I believe you could use a sampler like this to achieve what’s done on Father And Son (mostly stretching), I think I hear it all over the album with basically 80 percent of the vocal samples. This includes Naraka and Age of Capricorn. Those vocal samples still have a vocoder sound to them, so I suppose you could creatively use a vocoder to recontextualize spoken word into a melodic phrase - something they’ve done famously over the years. But given that that is the exact use case of the VP-9000, I think it’s something they’d be interested in.

[Alvin]

Father & Son Lyrics (A.A. [Alvin Attempt {31/5/26}]):
…
I’m King of these cunts if I made cinnamon..
…

This line has inspired me to return to rapping on my Inferno unboxing stream, tune in later today: https://www.twoism.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=16101

[Den]

I saw a tweet claiming it was the Adobe Speech Enhancer used on the vocals. I don’t think so. I know this type of thing could be done in many DAWs, but I believe they’re using the Roland VP-9000 or Roland V-Synth which has the same vocal phrase processing abilities. For Bibio fans, he has used it for his strange Vocoder-y parts on some of his Warp stuff. So, you are supposed to sample a vocal phrase, like speech, and can tune it and stretch it in many ways. It has some insane sounding glitch artifacts, and can be used as a basic Psuedo-vocoder as well. Notably I hear a lot of artifacts on the tape hiss from the samples on the record, and while I believe you could use a sampler like this to achieve what’s done on Father And Son (mostly stretching), I think I hear it all over the album with basically 80 percent of the vocal samples. This includes Naraka and Age of Capricorn. Those vocal samples still have a vocoder sound to them, so I suppose you could creatively use a vocoder to recontextualize spoken word into a melodic phrase - something they’ve done famously over the years. But given that that is the exact use case of the VP-9000, I think it’s something they’d be interested in.

People seem to like making these claims about the use of programs like Adobe Speech Enhancer. I don’t believe it. They have said repeatedly over the years that they do not like making music with computers (besides using them as a recorder).

[2020k]

U̴̗͆h̶͎̽h̸̯̭̝̯͗,̷͉͑̐͝͠ ̶̠̰̠̓̋͋l̷̯͔͛̒e̶͕̪̍̋t̵͓͝'̴̟̬͚͈̆͐̈ṣ̸̥̜̆ ̴̭̱͗̅s̷̥̝̤̱̽̀͝ȅ̸̤̙͛̋è̶̞̗͕̝̉͊͘ ̴̝̦̬͗̚͠Í̶̢̩̺́̈́ ̸̯̈́̀̚l̸̛̤̟̭̚̚͘ō̶͖̻̠ş̵̟̞̮̕t̴̯̠̼̾̚͠ ̷̻̯̻̄͂̔͝t̵͔͆̿́̍r̶͖͓͍͉̊a̴̧̽̉̈́̀͜c̸̞̥̐k̶̛͖̗͊̅̑

[steeldancer-x]

Not sure about Adobe but AI definitely used with this one. Tastefully done, gentlemen

[bioluminescence]

I feel like this track was inspired/influenced by Doxa Sinistra - The Other Stranger from Societas X mixtape.

[Evrox]

That vocal at 2:54 has been going around in my head. I can't make out what it is but it's so damn good and fits so well! Like someone is jokingly humming while closing their nose.

[IronMark]

I feel like this track was inspired/influenced by Doxa Sinistra - The Other Stranger from Societas X mixtape.

Agree 100% - The Other Stranger is my favourite from SxT as well.

There's so much SxT influence on Inferno, makes me presume they were deeply into working on it in 2019. Who knows how far back the work started on it.

[Altruizine]

I wonder if I’m responsible for the Adobe Speech Enhance association or if someone else picked up on it. It was only a small niche meme back in 2022 to make it deliberately glitch and hallucinate sounds.

Those glitches are just exactly what I was thinking of when I speculated if they’ll include some AI-assisted experiments so imagine my reaction when they release something that sounds exactly like that

Don’t forget the melting Indiana Jones guy deepfake from 2021 was it? They were definitely goofing off with AI

[Den]

I’d say there is no way they’re using ‘AI’ anything to make music.

[llydia]

yeah that drum mixing though

[pepsichallenged]

To me: it sounds practically like this here image appears. The most uncanny of a valley reached yet in our recorded western popular music canon. One Divisive Document!

[akirako]

"I think that's wonderful"

Aye, from the moment I first heard that line repeated at the listening party I knew that was gonna be the new big thing hahaha. This one kicks ass, had the whole room grooving hardcore. I audibly exclaimed "That was groovy as fuuuuck, man!" afterwards as they were flipping the record over. The only thing I knew about this one going in is that it was supposedly like a "boards of canada rap" and it delivered in a fashion that caught me very off guard lmfao

Couldn't make out the "lyrics" too clearly in the moment but upon further analysis what I get from this track is something along the lines of a newly born again holy roller type (in this case sampled from an actual literal cult member who left their family to join the cult) going around telling everyone how he loves "the lord" more than any physical being to the point where it's causing problems in his day-to-day existence. He's being all weird and fanatical and fighting with anyone who disagrees (such as his father, mother, brother, etc.) about little details of "how God works" that don't matter that much to humans in the grand scheme of things. I think there's also some implications of him being a massive hypocrite and not actually following the teachings of Jesus. The "son" sarcastically retorts against the "father"'s holy rolling rhetoric with "I think that's wonderful! But then why can't you bring that same feeling home?" to which the "father" responds by getting all confrontational and acting like the question itself was an affront to God. Very interesting stuff, not sure how close my interpretation is but that's what I got!

tl;dr:
I think that's wonderful!

I love this track! I just wanted to nitpick that if you watch the original footage, the father is the one who asks his son why he can't bring that feeling home. But the idea of BoC switching the roles or making the situation ambiguous would be on brand.

[yahshoor]

yeah that drum mixing though

I never even suspected I'd be capable of feeling this particular way about BOC, but there's a first time for everything:

Don't love the bars, but I'd cop if it came with the instrumental

[The Other]

The garbled and distorted vocals sound like a demons on the shoulder of the clean vocals. Kind like a back and forth between an external monologue of what the clean vocals are saying and an internal monologue of what they are hearing in their head.

Also at 2:53 I almost hear “I am the Alpha… I am Omega”

[Waterbagel]

I will go to rhetorical war for this song.

I think that's wonderful.

(i seriously LOVE this track. the whole first run of 5 songs is just.. WOW.)

[AuHr]

Looking back (time flies!) to when Inferno tracknames and lengths were released, some guessed Tape 05 (03:21) could be track #5 Father and Son (03:24). Although their durations don't match, I placed Father and Son over the video, just to see it... Sharing here:

[Waterbagel]

that was worth a shot! I like it enough. good post AuHr