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I’d like to know when they explicitly stated they are atheists, because I don’t think they ever did.WATER_CAN-_- wrote:BOC have stated explicitly that they are atheists
Therefore, the main thrust of your hypothesis is pretty much deflated
The good news is that you're now free to figure out the actual intended meaning should you so choose
I would though advise taking a different approach than before as BOC had heavily cautioned that this type of numerological approach is not likely to yield much in terms of the answers you seek
They’ve said that they are not religious, but that isn’t the same as being atheist. Atheism specifically means not believing in the existence of God or any gods. Someone can be non-religious and still believe in a higher power, some form of spirituality, or simply leave the question open.
People’s views can also change over time. Without a direct statement from them in recent years, I don’t think we can confidently claim what their personal beliefs are now.
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Evrox wrote:WATER_CAN-_- wrote:BOC have stated explicitly that they are atheists
Therefore, the main thrust of your hypothesis is pretty much deflated
The good news is that you're now free to figure out the actual intended meaning should you so choose
I would though advise taking a different approach than before as BOC had heavily cautioned that this type of numerological approach is not likely to yield much in terms of the answers you seek
See below:I’d like to know when they explicitly stated they are atheists, because I don’t think they ever did.
They’ve said that they are not religious, but that isn’t the same as being atheist. Atheism specifically means not believing in the existence of God or any gods. Someone can be non-religious and still believe in a higher power, some form of spirituality, or simply leave the question open.
People’s views can also change over time. Without a direct statement from them in recent years, I don’t think we can confidently claim what their personal beliefs are now.
A tacit acknowledgment from 2013:Time to puncture a few myths about Boards Of Canada. "The kind of thing that gets up my nose is when people describe us as 'approaching New Age' or soemthing like that," moans Sandison. "To me that's completly missing the point. If we do something that remotely sounds a bit like that, it's because we're actually doing it deliberately, we're doing almost as a pisstake." Google Boards Of Canada and you'll soon find fans with plenty of time on their hands, identifying all manner of psychedelic Easter eggs in the music: reversed samples and tapes, aural palindromes (sentences like "I've been gone about a week" that sound like the same when played forwards or in reverse) buried phrases that hint at paganism ("You Could eel The Sky" contains the words "a god with hooves"). Titles like "Music Is Math", "A Is To B As B Is To C", and "The Smallest Weird Number" (the number 70, which they adopted for the name of their own label/production company, Music70) imply numerological sorcery; musical structures arranged, tuned and sequenced at root level according to mathematical equations such as the Fibonacci sequence and Golden Ratio. Someone's even found that the toal playing time of Geogaddi is 66:06, and it's total hard drive space when ripped to MP3 is 666 megabytes, etc. All of which leads to speculation that they are involved in in some kind of cultish activity - a belief that gathered pace with the release of their 2000 EP In A Beautiful Place Out In The Country, which contained overt references to David Koresh's Branch Davidian community and its annihilation by the US military in 1993 during the Waco siege. "Not in the slightest," counters Sandison when I ask him for a definitive answer on their 'cult' status. "We're just purely coming at what we do from the angle at being interested in subjects. You get a lot of painters or film directors who are complete atheists who'll make films all about religion, or Christianity, not because they're obsessed with the subjects or they're actually evangelists, but just purely because it's something they're interested in for that project. It's exactly the same with us - we'll hit on some of these things, but at the end of the day we're just totally ordinary people that just happen to be making music." And why the particular focus on Waco? "We take a great interest in the spectrum of everything, religions and cults, anything connected to that," says Eoin. Because they are a break from the norm. So when you see something like that, a group of people doing their own thing, going away and living together like that... it's the fascination with that, and a sense of injustice..." "And the outrage at what happened," interjects Sandison. "I'm not a religious person," Eoin continues, "but what I felt seeing what happened there was asense of outrage - they're devoutly religious people, but what happened to them - were they just singled out because of this, and attacked? The victor always writes history, and the only history we know of David Koresh and those people is what's been written about by reference to things like what the FBI were investigating afterwards." "Which was why," Sandison swings back to the record in hand, "we thought we'd make a record that on the surface feels really sweet and very spacious and it'll be titled In A Beautiful Place Out In The Country, but what were these people doing in a beautiful place out in the country? They were getting shot and burned.. [Laughs] It's a typical thing that we would do..." Eoin: "Even when you go away and have that existence, something still chases you there, still follows you home. And that's the impression I get off that story." With every retreat form the world comes the need to protect and survive.
https://bocpages.org/wiki/Protect_and_S ... (interview)
In the context of history, we live in an age of unparalleled science and rationality. But despite this, religion and ideas of mysticism – along with other fringe concerns such as conspiracy, etc – continue to thrive. I gather that you're rationalists, atheists, etc – but the idea of the mystic obviously has an appeal to you ...
"Eoin: "There's a lot to play with there, for an artist. It affects people even if they don't consider themselves to be religious. Nobody really wants to accept that we're just a colony of organisms hurtling through a void on a ball of rock. I'd guess that's it, that the most rational individual doesn't really want to have his beliefs completely confirmed. It's in human nature to pursue spiritual or fantastic things, for whatever reason, that's why we like art and escapism, isn't it? Humans like to feel there's a purpose, even if there isn't one!""
https://bocpages.org/wiki/We%27ve_Becom ... _the_Years
Re: I think I understood BoC's work.
Neither of those quotes contains Boards of Canada calling themselves atheists.WATER_CAN-_- wrote:Evrox wrote:WATER_CAN-_- wrote:BOC have stated explicitly that they are atheists
Therefore, the main thrust of your hypothesis is pretty much deflated
The good news is that you're now free to figure out the actual intended meaning should you so choose
I would though advise taking a different approach than before as BOC had heavily cautioned that this type of numerological approach is not likely to yield much in terms of the answers you seek
See below:I’d like to know when they explicitly stated they are atheists, because I don’t think they ever did.
They’ve said that they are not religious, but that isn’t the same as being atheist. Atheism specifically means not believing in the existence of God or any gods. Someone can be non-religious and still believe in a higher power, some form of spirituality, or simply leave the question open.
People’s views can also change over time. Without a direct statement from them in recent years, I don’t think we can confidently claim what their personal beliefs are now.
A tacit acknowledgment from 2013:Time to puncture a few myths about Boards Of Canada. "The kind of thing that gets up my nose is when people describe us as 'approaching New Age' or soemthing like that," moans Sandison. "To me that's completly missing the point. If we do something that remotely sounds a bit like that, it's because we're actually doing it deliberately, we're doing almost as a pisstake." Google Boards Of Canada and you'll soon find fans with plenty of time on their hands, identifying all manner of psychedelic Easter eggs in the music: reversed samples and tapes, aural palindromes (sentences like "I've been gone about a week" that sound like the same when played forwards or in reverse) buried phrases that hint at paganism ("You Could eel The Sky" contains the words "a god with hooves"). Titles like "Music Is Math", "A Is To B As B Is To C", and "The Smallest Weird Number" (the number 70, which they adopted for the name of their own label/production company, Music70) imply numerological sorcery; musical structures arranged, tuned and sequenced at root level according to mathematical equations such as the Fibonacci sequence and Golden Ratio. Someone's even found that the toal playing time of Geogaddi is 66:06, and it's total hard drive space when ripped to MP3 is 666 megabytes, etc. All of which leads to speculation that they are involved in in some kind of cultish activity - a belief that gathered pace with the release of their 2000 EP In A Beautiful Place Out In The Country, which contained overt references to David Koresh's Branch Davidian community and its annihilation by the US military in 1993 during the Waco siege. "Not in the slightest," counters Sandison when I ask him for a definitive answer on their 'cult' status. "We're just purely coming at what we do from the angle at being interested in subjects. You get a lot of painters or film directors who are complete atheists who'll make films all about religion, or Christianity, not because they're obsessed with the subjects or they're actually evangelists, but just purely because it's something they're interested in for that project. It's exactly the same with us - we'll hit on some of these things, but at the end of the day we're just totally ordinary people that just happen to be making music." And why the particular focus on Waco? "We take a great interest in the spectrum of everything, religions and cults, anything connected to that," says Eoin. Because they are a break from the norm. So when you see something like that, a group of people doing their own thing, going away and living together like that... it's the fascination with that, and a sense of injustice..." "And the outrage at what happened," interjects Sandison. "I'm not a religious person," Eoin continues, "but what I felt seeing what happened there was asense of outrage - they're devoutly religious people, but what happened to them - were they just singled out because of this, and attacked? The victor always writes history, and the only history we know of David Koresh and those people is what's been written about by reference to things like what the FBI were investigating afterwards." "Which was why," Sandison swings back to the record in hand, "we thought we'd make a record that on the surface feels really sweet and very spacious and it'll be titled In A Beautiful Place Out In The Country, but what were these people doing in a beautiful place out in the country? They were getting shot and burned.. [Laughs] It's a typical thing that we would do..." Eoin: "Even when you go away and have that existence, something still chases you there, still follows you home. And that's the impression I get off that story." With every retreat form the world comes the need to protect and survive.
https://bocpages.org/wiki/Protect_and_S ... (interview)
In the context of history, we live in an age of unparalleled science and rationality. But despite this, religion and ideas of mysticism – along with other fringe concerns such as conspiracy, etc – continue to thrive. I gather that you're rationalists, atheists, etc – but the idea of the mystic obviously has an appeal to you ...
"Eoin: "There's a lot to play with there, for an artist. It affects people even if they don't consider themselves to be religious. Nobody really wants to accept that we're just a colony of organisms hurtling through a void on a ball of rock. I'd guess that's it, that the most rational individual doesn't really want to have his beliefs completely confirmed. It's in human nature to pursue spiritual or fantastic things, for whatever reason, that's why we like art and escapism, isn't it? Humans like to feel there's a purpose, even if there isn't one!""
https://bocpages.org/wiki/We%27ve_Becom ... _the_Years
In the Wire interview, Marcus uses atheist artists as an analogy for how they approach religious themes. He never says “we are atheists.”
In the Guardian interview, it’s the journalist who calls them atheists. Marcus did not correct him. Calling that a tactical acknowledgment is a stretch. Not correcting an assumption is not the same as confirming it, especially from a duo that has always been careful about personal labels.
They’ve said multiple times that they are not religious. That’s the limit of what they have actually stated imo.
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Re: I think I understood BoC's work.
he used the word "exactly", that's very unambiguousYou get a lot of painters or film directors who are complete atheists who'll make films all about religion, or Christianity, not because they're obsessed with the subjects or they're actually evangelists, but just purely because it's something they're interested in for that project. It's exactly the same with us
and it pretty much exactly describes Inferno
Interviewer: "Looking back, your previous work Geogaddi had themes that evoked summer, fire, and a sense of religious ritual. What were you seeking at that time?"
Marcus: "With Geogaddi we aimed to bring together themes of music, mathematics, and patterns in nature. Both of us believe that people should take responsibility for themselves. We wanted to show that one can celebrate life, art, and the world without necessarily attributing everything to 'God's work.' Christian art often portrays great works as creations of a higher power rather than the humans who made them. By focusing on the patterns and mathematical principles that govern the universe, Geogaddi suggests that people can celebrate freely without needing religion."
https://bocpages.org/wiki/Music_of_Struggle
They attribute maths and patters that govern the universe to nature, not a supernatural being (god). All their interviews point to them being atheists. And until they say something to the contrary, that is the null hypothesis.What's the significance of hexagons to you?
Marcus: The hexagon theme represents that whole idea of being able to see reality for what it is, the raw maths or patterns that make everything. We've always been interested in science and maths. Sometimes music or art or drugs can pull back the curtain for you and reveal the Wizard of Oz, so to speak, busy pushing the levers and pressing buttons. That's what maths is, the wizard. It sounds like nonsense but I'm sure a lot of people know what I'm talking about.
https://bocpages.org/wiki/The_Secret_Li ... _of_Canada
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(This short message is to tell you, Llydia, Watercan, and Cupz, that I forgive you in my heart. Even if you don't care, it's important for me to tell you.
I'm sorry I wasn't able to properly share this vision of the world that I find wonderful and life-saving.
This thread contains most of what I think I've understood, but I have no authority and I don't know anything, so there's no point in me continuing to exhaust myself swimming against the current.
All the best to everyone, and perhaps we'll meet again, if events confirm my theories. And if that doesn't happen, then I'm truly sorry for wasting your time and misleading you. Take care, my brothers and sisters!)
I'm sorry I wasn't able to properly share this vision of the world that I find wonderful and life-saving.
This thread contains most of what I think I've understood, but I have no authority and I don't know anything, so there's no point in me continuing to exhaust myself swimming against the current.
All the best to everyone, and perhaps we'll meet again, if events confirm my theories. And if that doesn't happen, then I'm truly sorry for wasting your time and misleading you. Take care, my brothers and sisters!)
Re: I think I understood BoC's work.
“Exactly” still refers to the approach, being interested in religious themes without personal belief, not to a declaration of identity.WATER_CAN-_- wrote:he used the word "exactly", that's very unambiguousYou get a lot of painters or film directors who are complete atheists who'll make films all about religion, or Christianity, not because they're obsessed with the subjects or they're actually evangelists, but just purely because it's something they're interested in for that project. It's exactly the same with us
and it pretty much exactly describes Inferno
Interviewer: "Looking back, your previous work Geogaddi had themes that evoked summer, fire, and a sense of religious ritual. What were you seeking at that time?"
Marcus: "With Geogaddi we aimed to bring together themes of music, mathematics, and patterns in nature. Both of us believe that people should take responsibility for themselves. We wanted to show that one can celebrate life, art, and the world without necessarily attributing everything to 'God's work.' Christian art often portrays great works as creations of a higher power rather than the humans who made them. By focusing on the patterns and mathematical principles that govern the universe, Geogaddi suggests that people can celebrate freely without needing religion."
https://bocpages.org/wiki/Music_of_StruggleThey attribute maths and patters that govern the universe to nature, not a supernatural being (god). All their interviews point to them being atheists. And until they say something to the contrary, that is the null hypothesis.What's the significance of hexagons to you?
Marcus: The hexagon theme represents that whole idea of being able to see reality for what it is, the raw maths or patterns that make everything. We've always been interested in science and maths. Sometimes music or art or drugs can pull back the curtain for you and reveal the Wizard of Oz, so to speak, busy pushing the levers and pressing buttons. That's what maths is, the wizard. It sounds like nonsense but I'm sure a lot of people know what I'm talking about.
https://bocpages.org/wiki/The_Secret_Li ... _of_Canada
The Geogaddi and hexagon quotes support a non-religious, naturalistic outlook, but that still isn’t the same as them saying “we are atheists.”
Reading more into it than what they actually said feels like a stretch. Personal views can also change over a lifetime. It’s wiser not to claim a personal identity for them, especially with a private duo that avoids clear labels.
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Well do I take issue that 'exactly' only refers to the approach. There's no reason to think it does not apply to the entirety of what they are using for an analogy. If they would have left out the word exactly, I might agree with you. They seem to be very careful with choosing their words. Additionally, within that same interview right after, Marcus affirms that he is not religious which goes back to this previous analogy they were using right before.
Nevertheless, the facts are:
- They repeatedly stated that they are not religious at all
- They have made explicit denials they are Christians, Pagans, or Satanists
- They have compared themselves to atheist artists who explore religion without believing or evangelizing
- They explain the universe through nature, mathematics, and patterns rather than supernatural agency
- They have been consistent with one another across many years of interviews
- Theists are kind of like vegans, they tend not shy away from indicating their beliefs given the opportunity, and they have had plenty of opportunity
Therefore, we can say that the best-supported inference from the available evidence is that BOC are atheists in the broad sense of not being convinced that theism is true. Although, to your point, we can say that their precise private philosophical positions cannot be known with certainty.
All this aside, for them to repeatedly state that they are not at all religious, while intending their work to affirm and communicate a theistic religious worldview as true, would itself be a religious thing to do. That would be a contradiction.
Nevertheless, the facts are:
- They repeatedly stated that they are not religious at all
- They have made explicit denials they are Christians, Pagans, or Satanists
- They have compared themselves to atheist artists who explore religion without believing or evangelizing
- They explain the universe through nature, mathematics, and patterns rather than supernatural agency
- They have been consistent with one another across many years of interviews
- Theists are kind of like vegans, they tend not shy away from indicating their beliefs given the opportunity, and they have had plenty of opportunity
Therefore, we can say that the best-supported inference from the available evidence is that BOC are atheists in the broad sense of not being convinced that theism is true. Although, to your point, we can say that their precise private philosophical positions cannot be known with certainty.
All this aside, for them to repeatedly state that they are not at all religious, while intending their work to affirm and communicate a theistic religious worldview as true, would itself be a religious thing to do. That would be a contradiction.
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Someone like David Tibet/Current 93 has been tracing the pagan roots of folk music for years. Taking influences on a spiritual rather than a musical level, is that an angle you can relate to?
Mike: "We are interested in pagan roots. We're very much into older cultures and lifestyles. People forget just how transitory this period of time in the modern world is. It's important to be able to consider other approaches to society and life than what's around you. Take a look at Julian Cope for example, he uses these influences to fuel his music in a wonderful unique way. It can influence your work in other ways too, not necessarily just in the sound of the music."
What does the hexagram symbolize for you? (Depending on your beliefs it is: a powerful tool to invoke Satan, a stand-by for magicians, witches and alchemists, and a pagan symbol of sexual union and reproduction, esp. of the sexually oriented rites and ceremonies of Baalism).
Mike: "It's just a pattern. It captures some people's imaginations."
Are you putting a hex/curse on us?
Marcus: "Heh, only if you want it to happen."
My guess: it's about a deeply-rooted believe in Mother Earth, as displayed in the ancient traditions of paganism.
Mike: "You could say that. We're not Satanists, or Christians, or pagans. We're not religious at all. We just put symbols into our music sometimes, depending on what we're interested in at the time. We do care about people and the state of the world, and if we're spiritual at all it's purely in the sense of caring about art and inspiring people with ideas."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism
Mike: "We are interested in pagan roots. We're very much into older cultures and lifestyles. People forget just how transitory this period of time in the modern world is. It's important to be able to consider other approaches to society and life than what's around you. Take a look at Julian Cope for example, he uses these influences to fuel his music in a wonderful unique way. It can influence your work in other ways too, not necessarily just in the sound of the music."
What does the hexagram symbolize for you? (Depending on your beliefs it is: a powerful tool to invoke Satan, a stand-by for magicians, witches and alchemists, and a pagan symbol of sexual union and reproduction, esp. of the sexually oriented rites and ceremonies of Baalism).
Mike: "It's just a pattern. It captures some people's imaginations."
Are you putting a hex/curse on us?
Marcus: "Heh, only if you want it to happen."
My guess: it's about a deeply-rooted believe in Mother Earth, as displayed in the ancient traditions of paganism.
Mike: "You could say that. We're not Satanists, or Christians, or pagans. We're not religious at all. We just put symbols into our music sometimes, depending on what we're interested in at the time. We do care about people and the state of the world, and if we're spiritual at all it's purely in the sense of caring about art and inspiring people with ideas."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism
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BOC: "We admit it. We did provoke a bit of this maniacal meticulousness ourselves, playing with mystery and inserting odd elements into our music and its structure. If it got a bit out of hand, it's probably the fault of the Internet, if you can call it a fault. For decades various bands have enjoyed inserting more or less subliminal messages into their records (in the music or the artwork), but back then that spread either by word of mouth or through newspaper interviews. Now with the web there's a true communicative explosion; news (and legends!) circulate and spread at a speed and in a volume previously unimaginable. Unimaginable even for us. By inserting lots of small semi-subliminal ideas within Geogaddi, we simply wanted to push people to listen more carefully to our music: word spreads that there may be references not perceptible on a first, superficial listen, and so people are encouraged to re-listen more attentively — that was our reasoning. Anyway, with this new work we cut all that out; we might disappoint some, but we didn't want to become a parody of ourselves."
https://bocpages.org/wiki/Musica_vs_Algebra
https://bocpages.org/wiki/Musica_vs_Algebra
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Oh dear. I was really enjoying the read before you started pulling this victim card. It was wonderful, I'll give you that. I warned you already, go back to the point you originally started with, building confrontation. But if you truly felt all this really was life saving, should you let the opinion of some usernames on a forum prevent you from sharing? That one is with you my friend.HighLowView wrote:(This short message is to tell you, Llydia, Watercan, and Cupz, that I forgive you in my heart. Even if you don't care, it's important for me to tell you.
I'm sorry I wasn't able to properly share this vision of the world that I find wonderful and life-saving.
This thread contains most of what I think I've understood, but I have no authority and I don't know anything, so there's no point in me continuing to exhaust myself swimming against the current.
All the best to everyone, and perhaps we'll meet again, if events confirm my theories. And if that doesn't happen, then I'm truly sorry for wasting your time and misleading you. Take care, my brothers and sisters!)
Edit: "Don't worry, I know the truth about boards of canada. The oranges grant me unbelievable power levels."
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♄ope keeper wrote:Someone like David Tibet/Current 93 has been tracing the pagan roots of folk music for years. Taking influences on a spiritual rather than a musical level, is that an angle you can relate to?
Mike: "We are interested in pagan roots. We're very much into older cultures and lifestyles. People forget just how transitory this period of time in the modern world is. It's important to be able to consider other approaches to society and life than what's around you. Take a look at Julian Cope for example, he uses these influences to fuel his music in a wonderful unique way. It can influence your work in other ways too, not necessarily just in the sound of the music."
What does the hexagram symbolize for you? (Depending on your beliefs it is: a powerful tool to invoke Satan, a stand-by for magicians, witches and alchemists, and a pagan symbol of sexual union and reproduction, esp. of the sexually oriented rites and ceremonies of Baalism).
Mike: "It's just a pattern. It captures some people's imaginations."
Are you putting a hex/curse on us?
Marcus: "Heh, only if you want it to happen."
My guess: it's about a deeply-rooted believe in Mother Earth, as displayed in the ancient traditions of paganism.
Mike: "You could say that. We're not Satanists, or Christians, or pagans. We're not religious at all. We just put symbols into our music sometimes, depending on what we're interested in at the time. We do care about people and the state of the world, and if we're spiritual at all it's purely in the sense of caring about art and inspiring people with ideas."
Interviewer: "Is this work, even partially, a requiem for something lost? If so, what is it a requiem for?"
Mike: "Yeah, partially. This is like the soundtrack of a certain person's experience, but that experience has become something from a distant past, both temporally and spatially. To me, it serves as a tribute to a mostly vanished culture. It's a lament for the positive and free-thinking creative culture of North America in the 60s and 70s. It even echoes back a century to the loss of Native American culture."
https://bocpages.org/wiki/Music_of_Struggle
best to minimize extrapolationInterviewer: "Do you sympathize with the idea held by many ancient cultures, like the Celts and Native Americans, that nature belongs to no one"?
Marcus: "Yes. This nature and environment have existed longer than you, me, any government, country, or generation. It should continue to exist, but that requires us to treat it with respect."
https://bocpages.org/wiki/We%27re_makin ... e_and_time
or even better, not extrapolate at all
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Re: I think I understood BoC's work.
something that happens a lot on more practically-focused, applied knowledge forums (car maintenance forums, stack overflow, etc) is the A/B problem - where the OP comes in to talk about problem A and look for a solution or agreement on their approach that they think matches problem A, but a majority of people come in to say that, actually, it’s problem B
the OP is unsatisfied because they aren’t having the discussion they thought they’d have, and the majority of problem B-focused people aren’t satisfied because it feels like they’re hitting a brick wall
content of the discussion aside, i think this is a pretty classic fault line forums can run into and maybe anyone after some can take some solace in that
cheers from old town edinburgh … hitting red moss tomorrow
the OP is unsatisfied because they aren’t having the discussion they thought they’d have, and the majority of problem B-focused people aren’t satisfied because it feels like they’re hitting a brick wall
content of the discussion aside, i think this is a pretty classic fault line forums can run into and maybe anyone after some can take some solace in that
cheers from old town edinburgh … hitting red moss tomorrow
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Rest in peaces Mr High Low View.
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Hi my brothers and sisters!!!
I hope you’re all doing well!
Over the past few weeks, I’ve had some time to reflect on all this, and I’ve realized that I was being pretty stupid, and particularly full of pride.
What I’m talking about here is pretty extreme, and goes far beyond the simple BoC framework (unless you buy into my theories…), so I really shouldn’t have been surprised to get such negative reactions.
I was naive because I thought that, since this is a specialized forum, and given that I’ve found so many verifiable and mind-blowing correlations, we would quickly move past the details or the more generic questions, like the ones raised by my three main critics here, whom I send a big hug ♥.
I was hurt by some of the things that were said and by certain attitudes, and disappointed because I was expecting a much warmer welcome. And that’s precisely where, along with my unfortunate words and my running away, you can see my pride: I have the incredible privilege of having discovered all this and being able to share it with you (with plenty of shortcomings, but I’m doing my best), so I really have nothing more to ask for… On the contrary, everything is perfect; it’s just our human ways of thinking that sometimes make life unnecessarily complicated lol.
And I’m used to being taken for a crazy person anyway… And what a poor disciple of Jesus I would be if I kept whining and complaining that people don’t like me and are mean to me... I’m really not doing him justice.
Anyway, I apologize for my negative reactions here.
I’ll drop by from time to time and see whether anything I’ve posted inspires anyone. Maybe you’ll find some major mistakes that slipped under my radar? Or maybe you’ll draw connections yourselves that I haven’t seen, and that will blow all of our minds?
So yeah, I’ll check in every now and then to see if there’s anything new, or simply if there are any interesting questions or people who feel like discussing things. And if I come across any important new elements, I’ll share them with you. I’ve already gathered a few, but I’d rather wait until I have more before making a dedicated post (whether it’s about BoC or about the synchronicities that keep bringing our numbers back into the picture…).
Anyway, take care everyone, and hopefully see you again soon!
Séb
I hope you’re all doing well!
Over the past few weeks, I’ve had some time to reflect on all this, and I’ve realized that I was being pretty stupid, and particularly full of pride.
What I’m talking about here is pretty extreme, and goes far beyond the simple BoC framework (unless you buy into my theories…), so I really shouldn’t have been surprised to get such negative reactions.
I was naive because I thought that, since this is a specialized forum, and given that I’ve found so many verifiable and mind-blowing correlations, we would quickly move past the details or the more generic questions, like the ones raised by my three main critics here, whom I send a big hug ♥.
I was hurt by some of the things that were said and by certain attitudes, and disappointed because I was expecting a much warmer welcome. And that’s precisely where, along with my unfortunate words and my running away, you can see my pride: I have the incredible privilege of having discovered all this and being able to share it with you (with plenty of shortcomings, but I’m doing my best), so I really have nothing more to ask for… On the contrary, everything is perfect; it’s just our human ways of thinking that sometimes make life unnecessarily complicated lol.
And I’m used to being taken for a crazy person anyway… And what a poor disciple of Jesus I would be if I kept whining and complaining that people don’t like me and are mean to me... I’m really not doing him justice.
Anyway, I apologize for my negative reactions here.
I’ll drop by from time to time and see whether anything I’ve posted inspires anyone. Maybe you’ll find some major mistakes that slipped under my radar? Or maybe you’ll draw connections yourselves that I haven’t seen, and that will blow all of our minds?
So yeah, I’ll check in every now and then to see if there’s anything new, or simply if there are any interesting questions or people who feel like discussing things. And if I come across any important new elements, I’ll share them with you. I’ve already gathered a few, but I’d rather wait until I have more before making a dedicated post (whether it’s about BoC or about the synchronicities that keep bringing our numbers back into the picture…).
Anyway, take care everyone, and hopefully see you again soon!
Séb
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Re: I think I understood BoC's work.
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Re: I think I understood BoC's work.
Hi Steeldancer 
What do you mean by that?
Personally, I don’t believe in the existence of the Devil... I only see it as the personification of our separation from, or misalignment with, God. So the Devil is basically ourselves and other people when we do or go through messed-up things... But that doesn’t mean anything is necessarily dramatic either — or rather, nothing is insurmountable, especially since God the Almighty Father is ultimately at the helm and creates everything at every moment...
Anyway, that’s how I see things. It makes logical sense to me in relation to my understanding of the axioms generally attributed to God, Revelation 13:18, and what we experience down here...
But the most important thing is that we can share our beliefs peacefully and maybe even try to grow together ^^
Of course, according to quite a few people still, I imagine, talking about these things has no place on this forum. But considering what I believe about BoC...
Haven’t I found enough mathematical correlations for us to at least accept the idea that their work is far deeper than we previously thought? Without necessarily buying the idea that they really are “two Gods on Earth”...
And if we look at these correlations, and considering the central place spirituality occupies in their messages, then it seems perfectly logical to me that we should be able to discuss all these things freely.
I think people will have to get used to it... Deep down, “faith in God” is a bit like “Conspiracy Theory”: both have long been discredited in the media (and it’s easy enough to understand why), but as this materialistic system collapses — through corruption and conspiracies, injustice and destruction, slavery and screen-induced idiocracy, etc. — we are witnessing an unprecedented return to faith, while people are becoming increasingly conspiracy theorists...
Of course, the media don’t really talk about it, or they caricature it by trying to frame it all as the rise of the far right, etc. Anyway — the same kind of superficial and heavily biased analysis we’ve been fed everywhere, all the time, for years.
Everywhere, because even online it’s no better... Everyone defends their own camp, whether they’re on the left, the right, or conspiracy-minded... It’s rare to find people who still show real discernment and perspective among those who analyse the situation and make videos about it, etc.
Anyway, I genuinely feel that an astonishing shift is currently taking place — something so many people can feel, and which will become official before long. But since the system is operating in a state of “hypernormalisation”, part of the population still doesn’t see what’s going on.
But I’m not saying that with any contempt. We’re all constantly being manipulated.
Salut ♥♫
What do you mean by that?
Personally, I don’t believe in the existence of the Devil... I only see it as the personification of our separation from, or misalignment with, God. So the Devil is basically ourselves and other people when we do or go through messed-up things... But that doesn’t mean anything is necessarily dramatic either — or rather, nothing is insurmountable, especially since God the Almighty Father is ultimately at the helm and creates everything at every moment...
Anyway, that’s how I see things. It makes logical sense to me in relation to my understanding of the axioms generally attributed to God, Revelation 13:18, and what we experience down here...
But the most important thing is that we can share our beliefs peacefully and maybe even try to grow together ^^
Of course, according to quite a few people still, I imagine, talking about these things has no place on this forum. But considering what I believe about BoC...
Haven’t I found enough mathematical correlations for us to at least accept the idea that their work is far deeper than we previously thought? Without necessarily buying the idea that they really are “two Gods on Earth”...
And if we look at these correlations, and considering the central place spirituality occupies in their messages, then it seems perfectly logical to me that we should be able to discuss all these things freely.
I think people will have to get used to it... Deep down, “faith in God” is a bit like “Conspiracy Theory”: both have long been discredited in the media (and it’s easy enough to understand why), but as this materialistic system collapses — through corruption and conspiracies, injustice and destruction, slavery and screen-induced idiocracy, etc. — we are witnessing an unprecedented return to faith, while people are becoming increasingly conspiracy theorists...
Of course, the media don’t really talk about it, or they caricature it by trying to frame it all as the rise of the far right, etc. Anyway — the same kind of superficial and heavily biased analysis we’ve been fed everywhere, all the time, for years.
Everywhere, because even online it’s no better... Everyone defends their own camp, whether they’re on the left, the right, or conspiracy-minded... It’s rare to find people who still show real discernment and perspective among those who analyse the situation and make videos about it, etc.
Anyway, I genuinely feel that an astonishing shift is currently taking place — something so many people can feel, and which will become official before long. But since the system is operating in a state of “hypernormalisation”, part of the population still doesn’t see what’s going on.
But I’m not saying that with any contempt. We’re all constantly being manipulated.
Salut ♥♫



