BoC in Groups....

DRS · Post by **DRS** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:41 pm

i get pretty protective over music i enjoy alot...i mean, i wouldn't really play BoC to alot of people at a party because if i see them not enjoying it, or not taking from it what i do it detracts from my experience. anyone else feel like that?

thedisavowed · Post by **thedisavowed** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:55 pm

Well, it's not so much a thing with BoC as it is with non-commercial music in general. When I see that people don't get it or think it's dumb because they haven't heard it before on MTV than I just get annoyed and it bothers me too.

That's why lately when I make mix cds for people they're pretty unapologetic. I don't put any 'crossover' tracks on there. I give them the hard stuff up front.

DRS · Post by **DRS** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:43 pm

thedisavowed wrote: That's why lately when I make mix cds for people they're pretty unapologetic. I don't put any 'crossover' tracks on there. I give them the hard stuff up front.

yeah, me too...i view the point of giving a mix-tape as giving people something new to listen to - no point in not stretching musical horizons...

Riley · Post by **Riley** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:09 am

Same here. I keep most of my music pretty personal.

zeitgeist · Post by **zeitgeist** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:29 am

a tired thought: *edit: jesus, i wrote alot. not a good way to make an entrance. apologies.*

well, music is definitely intended to be a very personal thing. there is a lot of crap out there, and there's also a lot of incredible music. just "music" by definition is a broad concept itself at times. it can definitely be hurtful or frustrating at least when people around you "just don't get it", although i suppose it depends on the audience. for myself, i couldn't care less if some people at a party don't like boc's music. however, if it were my close friends or someone's opinion that really mattered to me, it's almost like they are kicking you in the gut if they speak badly about your tunes. all i'm really getting at is that from a listener's point of view, boc's music is easy to associate to on a very emotional level (for most of us). it seems nostalgic, maybe dreamlike. a lot of vivid ideas and memories come flooding in when i hear their music. almost to the point that i feel the music was created within me. not literally, of course, but just that you begin to transcend simply passively listening until you come to the point where your ears and your mind are hanging on every note--anxious, driven, yet patient and calm almost as if you knew what were coming next. like a conversation with your best friend...or, maybe i've just done too much acid...from a musician's point of view, when you create something, you're really putting yourself out there. sure it's easy to pick up a guitar, and mix up some power chords along with some voicing about your latest-ex and ship it out to every teen-beat kid on the market. make a quick buck or millions. but when you are actually sitting down, whatever your instrument or audible talent, and putting everything you have into your sound (regardless or the payoff), that's when it gets real scary. everything you are inside might become a target. in that way, i think it's definitely more worrysome to be the initial musician than the listener who's in some temporary bad company. not a single musician whoever released a track has never had a person hate it.

i don't blame most people in general who listen to what i regard as "bad music". mtv, vh1, shitty radio, advertising. we're all bombarded by it. all the time. we're all succeptible to its influence, and by influence of people who are. i never met anyone who had it easy being the black sheep in the music industry, trying to do something different. we should actually be so lucky (as a generally boc-interested collective) to have access to music like this. not just boc for that matter, but anything that takes you past talentless instrumentation, inane lyrics, 4/4 time signatures and predictable melodies...not because it's trendy to be anti-trend, not because i want people to think i'm deep...it is deep. music is thought-provoking. (or at least is should be). who really wants to listen to a bunch of rich guys talk about money, cars, and hos anyway? i believe music is an artistic medium through which (moreso than others) your eyes are opened and given perspective. i could easily list certain songs i know that, in seconds, could make me cry, make me happy, make me angry, etc...it's such a powerful thing when the music genre as a whole is really opened up to it's beautifully provoking potential. and that's what i love about it. it's a shame that more people aren't listening.

volante · Post by **volante** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:23 pm

Great post zeitgeist, I agree with you. It's weird how people seem to love the music that's always in the top fives (albums or singles) on iTunes. Most of it is garbage to me. I'll be driving though town and hear someone blasting out some pollution, and I'll think, "what a waste." Everyone does have their own taste though, so I'm not knocking the individual.

zeitgeist · Post by **zeitgeist** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:45 pm

volante wrote:Great post zeitgeist, I agree with you. It's weird how people seem to love the music that's always in the top fives (albums or singles) on iTunes. Most of it is garbage to me. I'll be driving though town and hear someone blasting out some pollution, and I'll think, "what a waste." Everyone does have their own taste though, so I'm not knocking the individual.

Definitely. After all my ranting, I do have to admit I've always had a very strong "to each their own" philosophy. I do enjoy sharing my perspectives (with music especially), although it's up to each individual to take that rabbit hole so to speak. I'd like to hear what other people think on this issue.

Mexicola · Post by **Mexicola** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:52 pm

zeitgeist wrote:
volante wrote:Great post zeitgeist, I agree with you. It's weird how people seem to love the music that's always in the top fives (albums or singles) on iTunes. Most of it is garbage to me. I'll be driving though town and hear someone blasting out some pollution, and I'll think, "what a waste." Everyone does have their own taste though, so I'm not knocking the individual.
Definitely. After all my ranting, I do have to admit I've always had a very strong "to each their own" philosophy. I do enjoy sharing my perspectives (with music especially), although it's up to each individual to take that rabbit hole so to speak. I'd like to hear what other people think on this issue.

I always find it slightly odd when a person has an almost apathetic view towards music generally. I think we all probably know someone who, when you ask them "What music do you like?" will reply with "Oh, anything really. Whatever is on the radio." They are the sort of people who will like individual songs, rather than artists or albums per se. Music seems to have little or no emotional relevance to them at all, or if it does it's usually reserved for "It reminds me of the two weeks I spent clubbing in Ibiza". Personally, I'm always deeply suspicious of these people, and if I liked the person to begin with then I find it deeply disappointing if they feel this way about music.

Now, don't get me wrong. I don't mind what you listen to (apart from Shania Twain. Shania is the daughter of Beelzebub and will burn in hell with all his little pointy-tailed helpers) but whatever you listen to, be passionate about it! I have spent my life veering across genres, styles, bands - rarely settling on one area for too long - but that's' because to me NOTHING is more exciting than the first time you hear that new sound, new beat, new melody, new lyrical style, new delivery, etc etc etc. You hopefully know the feeling? You're at a gig, or a friends house, or a festival - and you've been lulled into a false sense of security. Something suddenly hits you and doesn't let go - grabbing, no DEMANDING your fullest attention. You look like a slack-jawed moron caught in the headlights as this new sound crashes over you like a wave and it's all you can do to hold it together, trying desperately to soak up as much of this wondrous stuff as you can - afraid that at any moment it could leave as quickly as it arrived. You spend the next 6 months hoovering up anything and everything you can find about it - you live it, you breathe it, you let it enter your very being and you feel much the better for it. It adds colour and depth and beauty and energy to your life.

This is how music generally makes me feel. This is how BOC first made me feel 7 years ago when I first heard them, and (thankfully) still do. As I get older I find this feeling comes less often, but it's strength is rarely diminished when it does pay a visit. It is one of the most precious feelings I know and probably the only feeling in the World which has never (yet) let me down.