BoC & Drugs

silo flame · Post by **silo flame** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:59 am

be careful with dxm, not too healthy of a synthesized chemical// same with ketamine

turquoise70 · Post by **turquoise70** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:21 pm

I appreciate the suggestion, but i've tried DXM and it was a miserable experience.

The only mental phenomenon I experienced was Time's typically liquid passage being distended to a molasses-like speed...

I spent about 15 minutes (which felt like 2 hours) sitting there battling The Itch (which crawled the entire length of my body, no exceptions) furiously. I was all pink and tender in the morning.

what a fun drug.

I'm not too excited about anything I have to snort, either. I try to avoid synthesized drugs in general these days, the only one I'd have any interest in trying again is LSD.

Infinite E · Post by **Infinite E** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:33 pm

things from plants can be bad for you too you know. You wouldn't want to gob a whole load of deadly nightshade now would you... the only real advantage is with the really obviously plant-like stuff, which provides some kind of protection against it getting mixed with stuff by unscrupulous bastards. But yeah dex is disgusting stuff.

Cupz · Post by **Cupz** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:38 pm

turquoise70 wrote:
Cupz wrote:___________ are only bad for the irresponcible.
now it is.

ok...let me try this

carrots are only bad for the irresponcible...

it works!!!!

bleak. · Post by **bleak.** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:54 pm

Cupz wrote:
turquoise70 wrote:
Cupz wrote:___________ are only bad for the irresponcible.
now it is.
ok...let me try this

carrots are only bad for the irresponcible...

it works!!!!

it is irresponsible!

r obhR · Post by **r obhR** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:47 am

turquoise70 wrote:I appreciate the suggestion, but i've tried DXM and it was a miserable experience.

The only mental phenomenon I experienced was Time's typically liquid passage being distended to a molasses-like speed...

I spent about 15 minutes (which felt like 2 hours) sitting there battling The Itch (which crawled the entire length of my body, no exceptions) furiously. I was all pink and tender in the morning.

what a fun drug.

Did you extract it or guzzle cough syrup?

turquoise70 · Post by **turquoise70** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:34 am

r obhR wrote:Did you extract it or guzzle cough syrup?

Hey, I'm not a chemist man. I did what everyone said to do with the stuff.

r obhR · Post by **r obhR** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:15 pm

Google agent lemon. It's quite easy to do and turns it from a terrible experience to an awesome experience. I felt the same way as you about it when I first tried it by guzzling cough syrup.

Pilzolli · Post by **Pilzolli** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:35 pm

Cupz wrote:Pilzolli...we should totally hang out

You're damn right. I am desperately in need of someone to trip with. And what could be a better partner than a BoC lover

I live 5 mins. from Heerlen, Limburg. So where are you located?

qabbalique wrote: without trying to start the who does more drugs dick waving contest i think out of all the drugs i've done over the years, k ranks as one of my favorite. honestly, during the beginning of the trip, while campfire headphase was starting, i really started to believe i was maybe about to die. i felt that way mostly because my shifts in perception were so drastic, but there was also this intense feeling of calm and oneness with everything. it was a situation where i thought i might die, but i felt really at ease with it. after that the trip happened, and ended up being a really profound experience for me. ayahuasca as far as i've found is really really hard to come by, and half the time people say they have it, it ends up being total bullshit. burroughs had to go get that from where it grows, and iboga is the same. i used to feel the same way about synthetics, but after you think about some of the processes that are used on pot and cocaine (involving gasoline sometimes) the natural route doesn't really sit all that well with me either. salvia has always been a major waste of time for me, and deterra (sp?) has always seemed to result in bad trips for myself and everyone i know who has done it. there is even research being done with ketamine in small doses as an anti-depressant.

I don't think I was talking like we were in a "dick contest" about drug taking. Actually this isn't the way I am thinking.
All I wanted to point out was that I really don't like synthetic drugs.
This goes especially for stuff like DXM, DPH (or DHM - Diphenhydramin), 2CB, Ketamin, etc. I mean why should I take an overdosed synthetic shit to get visions when plants are more effective, healthy and in any case coming from the same source as I do.
My advise about Ayahuasca was because the experiences you were describing on the narcotic Ketamin. To me it sounded like you wanted to explain how mind enhancing K was- but the same time I thought 'gee you were just heavily stoned'. I experienced such stuff when on Opium, but thats at least certainly a natural thing.

By the way- I even don't see plants as drugs. They are teachers. Or friends. Which kind of connect with our minds like symbionts.

Don't want to offend you. At least you're a "BoCcer"- aren't you?
(But be aware that M&M would never take synthetic stuff- I am pretty sure about that.)

My best wishes,
oliver

Cupz · Post by **Cupz** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:57 pm

Pilzolli wrote:
Cupz wrote:Pilzolli...we should totally hang out
You're damn right. I am desperately in need of someone to trip with. And what could be a better partner than a BoC lover

I live 5 mins. from Heerlen, Limburg. So where are you located?

I live near Utrecht, so thats a 2 hour drive, at least

Pilzolli · Post by **Pilzolli** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:14 pm

Yeah, I know Utrecht. I've been there a few times on the way back from A'dam.
We were very often down on Zeeland on vacation. With 3 kids Centerparks became an option. But it's been 2-3 years ago since I last visited A'dam. Kids don't like just walking around, looking & shopping

So I guess I have to get my ass up and take that highway 2 all the way up to Utrecht

turquoise70 · Post by **turquoise70** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:01 pm

I'm pretty sure BoC are fans of acid, which is synthetic.

And fun, as I found out Friday night.

Cupz · Post by **Cupz** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:27 pm

turquoise70 wrote:I'm pretty sure BoC are fans of acid, which is synthetic.

And fun, as I found out Friday night.

They did state they where into psychedelics...but they didn't say which ones...right?

isawdrones · Post by **isawdrones** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:46 pm

Cupz wrote:
turquoise70 wrote:I'm pretty sure BoC are fans of acid, which is synthetic.

And fun, as I found out Friday night.
They did state they where into psychedelics...but they didn't say which ones...right?

they mentioned something about acid in an interview during the headphase era..

Shadowshocker · Post by **Shadowshocker** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:56 pm

Didn't they mention something about Nlogax changing in the middle of the song like your mind's on acid? Or maybe I'm thinking of something else...

silo flame · Post by **silo flame** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:46 pm

lsd is an organic compound; it needs to be synthesized to be brought out from its naturally occuring state (in rye or something like that) I can not really remember right now, but it is really easy to look up on erowid or the like//

Pilzolli · Post by **Pilzolli** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:39 pm

turquoise70 wrote:I'm pretty sure BoC are fans of acid, which is synthetic.

And fun, as I found out Friday night.

NEVER!

And the explanation is that easy.
In Scotland are growing lots of Semilanceatas. And these mushrooms are one of the most potent Psilocybes. And very easy to dose, because of the constant content of Psilocybin.

So it is easy to get them, easy to dose them and they are pure nature. Absolutely no need to take LSD.

The Semis do fit more in the way they talk about themselves or how they live and talk about nature. And last but not least how they do create their music. It's analog, natural & organic.

LSD is SEMIsynthetic. It's based on Lyserg-acid which is one of the main compounds of the ergot mushroom- Sclerotia (Claviceps purpurea).
It's the same with Heroin which is also semisynthetic based on Opium (or more clearly the main compound Morphium).

So, I think they might have tested LSD, but I am pretty sure they would NEVER prefer it above Psilocybe Semilanceata! (which ia also called liberty cap)

By the way- they do grow @ my place, too

BW,
Oliver

makeitglow · Post by **makeitglow** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:43 am

Pilzolli wrote:
turquoise70 wrote:I'm pretty sure BoC are fans of acid, which is synthetic.

And fun, as I found out Friday night.
By the way- they do grow @ my place, too

BW,
Oliver

those look absolutely fantastic.

how many grams do you intend on taking for your next experience?

Cupz · Post by **Cupz** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:43 am

Pilzolli wrote: By the way- they do grow @ my place, too

BW,
Oliver

Could you mail me a couple of those?

Pilzolli · Post by **Pilzolli** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:30 am

makeitglow wrote: those look absolutely fantastic.

how many grams do you intend on taking for your next experience?

I've got 3kids, so I hardly got it managed to trip one time a year.
And as you might imagine, if it comes to this happening, I want to get as much as possible out of it.
So, I usually enhance them with a temporary MAO Inhibitor (3gr. Peganum Harmala).
And this way boosted it's hard to stand more than 2grs. (which is an average to strong dose without MAOi)
These 2grs. containing about 25-30mg of overall alkaloids (Psilocin, Psilocybin & Baeocystin) but with MAOI it feels like more than 3 times this amount (which is the maximum I took without MAOI)
So I found 1.5gr with MAOI the right dosage. Not to heavy, but deep enough to get the maximum experience out of it.
With the Harmalin the trip usually tends to go in an Ayahuasca/DMT kind of experience.

I am actually planning a snake ride this weekend @ my parents place (last time was 15months ago). Surely the Sandisons go with me

The afternoon I'll do some sauna bathing and then around 21h I'll start with the Peganum sitting at the fireside...

Best wishes,
Oliver

@Cupz- u got mail.

Here's some short HDV 1080i footage (shoot with my Canon HV20)) of the Semis:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/18j6yj