Zeitgeist Addendum (Zeitgeist II)

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Zeitgeist Addendum (Zeitgeist II)

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Zeitgeist Addendum (Google video)
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This new movie is less propagandized than the first Zeitgeist.



I hope this version pull the "unbelievers" to a more neutral side so they can make up their own mind.


Funfact: Before I started watching the google version I visited the zeitgeistmovie site to see if it was available to purchase as a DVD but wasn't available. It said something like "available soon". After watching it and making this post I went back to the site to copy the link for this post and this time the 2nd movie actually was availabe for purchase. Soon enough for me :)


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I just watched this and enjoyed the presentation very much. The first section about how the Federal Reserve works was educational, I had a vague idea but the movie put things in layman's terms.

I found it interesting that a man won the foreclosure case on his house when the court upheld his claim that the bank put up nothing of value (the loan) - because the money was created out of thin air and had no actual value attached to it.

The section about creating a utopian world based on resources instead of money seems like a very noble idea. However, due to all of the things that would need to fall in place for it happen makes me think it would not be possible for several hundred years, maybe a thousand at the rate we are going. It's sad that we do have the potential to make this planet a wonderful place for every human being, but our behavior in general prevents this from happening.

The older I get and the more I begin to understand the world, the more I realize that I know nothing. The world is so complex and intertwined - so difficult to determine who is sincere and who is not, that it overwhelms me and makes me want to back away from society. I feel hopelessly helpless in trusting government - take the current US presidential election: it's a mess of varying viewpoints, supposed "facts" with each side presenting believable evidence that they are the best choice while the alternative party are liars and cheats.

All the while I have the sickening feeling that they are ALL liars and cheats... that the whole affair is a distraction to keep the people thinking that they actually have a say in government. Then there is the media controlled by the big corporations filtering all "news" to their advantage - and the vast majority of the people swallow it down as the only truth. (Don't even get me started on the whole fear-based concept of news making - where every story is gloom, doom and horror.)

Even if I were to move to the most remote regions on earth I realize that a government or country can still fuck myself and my family's lives sooner or later with nuclear fallout or the slow pollution of the earth.

So what can I do? I back away from society, become somewhat of a hermit - which keeps me sane. I focus on keeping my family happy and attempt to bring something of beauty into the world with my music.
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This guy really loves Star Trek with all the Federation ideas. Unfortunately they cannot be accomplished for two main reasons. The first one is the virtually unlimited source of energy with high efficiency that should be an easy task to produce and maintain. Solar panels are very expensive and have a low output, wind energy has a the drawback of maintenance (the rotor often breaks), undersea things same problem and geothermal energy is hard to get because earth crust is not of the same width as in iceland where a magma source is close to the surface. If a clean, efficient and cheap energy source would be available I don't see any problem in using it. Do you?
And the second one is the production of goods. Building robots to do our boring jobs is not so easy. I know.. I'm a computer science engineer and I can tell you that building a somehow "smart" robot is not child's play - at least at this point. Things are more complicated than they seem. Sure the resources to build a perfect world are available.. the problem is that the world is lazy. We do not have the required state of consciousness to create that world.

And the dogma that "illuminati" is standing between us and the progress is pure bullshit. Progress and research is the drive that is needed in the first place by corporate overlords. If they don't invest money in research and development they are as good as dead. That benefits not only them, but us too at least indirectly. There are always commercial spies and other sources of leaks - look at open-source technologies.. almost everything that is open-source today is inspired by the proprietary technology and it is not owned by any company, but by people. Sure.. the environment an we are paying a far to big price for this. I don't believe that the problem is money. Money are just pieces of paper that is governed by a system.
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humanfromearth wrote:The first one is the virtually unlimited source of energy with high efficiency that should be an easy task to produce and maintain. Solar panels are very expensive and have a low output, wind energy has a the drawback of maintenance (the rotor often breaks), undersea things same problem and geothermal energy is hard to get because earth crust is not of the same width as in iceland where a magma source is close to the surface. If a clean, efficient and cheap energy source would be available I don't see any problem in using it. Do you?


This is what I go to school for...all evidence I've come across says that it's not just possible, but probable. At the moment, the technology is at a great starting point and developing quickly. In theory, I think it could accomplish what the Venus Project founder has in mind.

Take your geothermal point, for example. The Earth's crust and thus the availability of naturally-occuring geothermal heat does vary drastically. The energy economy of Iceland is not possible in Kansas. So, spot on there, man. But, huge advances are being made in the field of enhanced geothermal systems (EGS), specifically hot dry rock technology. I won't go into detail with this, but the idea is to create artifically appropriate geothermal sites, rather than being dependent on naturally occuring sites. This allows a massive portion of the Earth's geology to be utilized for geothermal (within environmental reason, of course). The tech to do this is well understood...test facilities have already been built, and more are on the way.

Similar advancements are being made in other renewable energy areas. Solar panel costs are plummetting, vast strides are being made in wind tech, and tidal/wave generation systems are starting to come online, with vast potential.

We just need the drive and determiniation to completely revolutionize our energy infrastructure (and the rest of society, ideally). Technologically, nothing's stopping us.
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