American Politics General Thread

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Brilliant

I wish people would wake up and stop being such warmongers.

Great video!

It indeed is.

The sad part is that the mass media is controlled by Ron Paul's opponents. He doesn't have a fair chance at all because people are too blind to see what really is happening. I also think this is his last chance as he is getting too old. He really need hurry!

[mechanismj]

Brilliant

I wish people would wake up and stop being such warmongers.

Great video!

It indeed is.

The sad part is that the mass media is controlled by Ron Paul's opponents. He doesn't have a fair chance at all because people are too blind to see what really is happening. I also think this is his last chance as he is getting too old. He really need hurry!

Seriously, man. You really ought to hear the radio over here. Every time these candidates are talked about it's Mitt Romney is great this, Perry is great that, Ron Paul is a racist and wears briefs instead of boxers. I SWEAR TO GOD IT IS THAT BAD. I seriously remember hearing some report about what kind of underwear he was wearing or some God awful nonsense.

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Seriously, fuck the news networks. It's unbelievable what they make up about people they don't agree with.



Santorum is so full of shit it's pretty funny

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I've noticed that the average US citizen seem to be very sensitive for candidates who are very self confidenced and "commercial". These candidates seem to be only saying the stuff which are hot topics amongst the citizens. They are only speaking with preprogrammed minds and know how to sell their story. It is the competitive guy attitude which seem to have the preference.

While Ron Paul is a bit clumsy at times and speaks from the hearth (which is way more natural imo) it seems that people absorb this as being less confident I guess, because otherwhile he would have more votes by now.

[coffee grapes]

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Sums it up pretty good.

[mechanismj]

Sums it up pretty good.

Indeed.

If a guy who supports the constitution of this country more than any of the other candidates is being systematically silenced, it should be plainly obvious to even the most ignorant of individuals that there is something else that is running our government. It's not us.

And of course, our country is not the only one in this boat right now. Any country with a strong resolve to stay independent is getting the same divide and conquer (if not flat out conquer) treatment.

That's the way the world is heading. You either buck up and go global or you get your fucking ass stomped.

[Waterbagel]

FOR THE SAKE OF AMERICA, AND TO A LESSER EXTENT, THE WORLD
VOTE RON PAUL

GET REGISTERED ASAP, AND VOTE IN YOUR PRIMARIES

normally i'd be ashamed for being so obnoxiously firm, but for once..
the guy isn't a typical "politician"

[mechanismj]

FOR THE SAKE OF AMERICA, AND TO A LESSER EXTENT, THE WORLD
VOTE RON PAUL

GET REGISTERED ASAP, AND VOTE IN YOUR PRIMARIES

normally i'd be ashamed for being so obnoxiously firm, but for once..
the guy isn't a typical "politician"

There is only one thing that has me worried about us going with Ron Paul. Say he gets elected, and pulls us out of all the wars and business deals with foreign countries. We bring all the jobs back, we start printing our own money. We actually regain our independence. You just know that the UN would turn on us and start pumping propaganda into the other superpower countries convincing their people that WE are now the isolationist, fascist, dictatorship and WE must be stopped.

Cutting ties with Israel as well as many of the other countries, would start some major conflict. If we're gonna go and become full force patriotic constitutionalists, we bettered be prepared to arm ourselves and fight to defend it, and I really don't see too many people out there who are ready for that. People are basically BEGGING to be taken care of by the government now. They want socialism.

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FOR THE SAKE OF AMERICA, AND TO A LESSER EXTENT, THE WORLD
VOTE RON PAUL

GET REGISTERED ASAP, AND VOTE IN YOUR PRIMARIES

normally i'd be ashamed for being so obnoxiously firm, but for once..
the guy isn't a typical "politician"

There is only one thing that has me worried about us going with Ron Paul. Say he gets elected, and pulls us out of all the wars and business deals with foreign countries. We bring all the jobs back, we start printing our own money. We actually regain our independence. You just know that the UN would turn on us and start pumping propaganda into the other superpower countries convincing their people that WE are now the isolationist, fascist, dictatorship and WE must be stopped.

Cutting ties with Israel as well as many of the other countries, would start some major conflict. If we're gonna go and become full force patriotic constitutionalists, we bettered be prepared to arm ourselves and fight to defend it, and I really don't see too many people out there who are ready for that. People are basically BEGGING to be taken care of by the government now. They want socialism.

And? Regaining our independence does not sever the United States from being the god damn military hyperpower of the world. I don't think the propaganda would necessarily escalate to war and considering that a substantial amount of the world has a problem with the sort of "police the world" mentality America has and Ron Paul opposes, I think they would largely be in support and feel a whole lot better about America once some of that shit clears up.

Of course UN will become pissed. So what. If someone is angered over such tie separations and less aid they were either corrupted in a situation where that benefits them or assholes looking at the situation in the wrong way. I have an extremely good feeling that they won't be able to rally their citizens behind them and it now with the internet and whatnot it is extremely difficult to get things done effectively when the bulk of your people oppose your actions.

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Well you have to remember that we spend the most on our military (six times more then china) and that we would have all of our forces actually protecting us here. That being said, it's still very risky but I think we should be willing to actually fight for our freedom if other superpowers become hostile. I don't really think that would happen though. I think most would be glad if America started to mind it's own business.

Also the UN is pretty useless and has been for a long time. I don't really know why we get caught up in it.

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Good points.

You know, when you are living inside of something, it can be difficult to see the view from outside of it. Meaning, it can be pretty easy to forget how much of a military presence we have here, around the globe, not to mention all the pushing and shoving we do in the world. It's ingrained into our world view that that's just the way it is.

Eventually we would once again have to make deals with other countries for resources, unless we can manage becoming 100 percent sustainable, which would surely be something worthy of striving for. We certainly couldn't just bring back our old industrious, resource consuming jobs if we plan on cutting our ties and maintaining a growing population. We would have to do some serious re-adjustment.

Also, the UN is still very useful if you're a globalist.

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Good points.

You know, when you are living inside of something, it can be difficult to see the view from outside of it. Meaning, it can be pretty easy to forget how much of a military presence we have here, around the globe, not to mention all the pushing and shoving we do in the world. It's ingrained into our world view that that's just the way it is.

Eventually we would once again have to make deals with other countries for resources, unless we can manage becoming 100 percent sustainable, which would surely be something worthy of striving for. We certainly couldn't just go bring back our old industrious, resource consuming jobs if we plan on cutting our ties and maintaining a growing population. We would have to do some serious re-adjustment.

Yes. And for the record, I don't think Ron Paul is suggesting severing our ties with EVERYTHING and reforming EVERYTHING if he were elected as so many suggest him to be.

He's constantly portrayed as this extremist...he's not. He's just not accepting of any action that has been carried out in a non-constitutional manner. That's about it. I know several people that are WAY more extreme in the same regards than he is. We generally call these people anarchists, or "Libertarian Socialists". Ron Paul's not some crazy ultra-libertarian anarchist who pledges allegiance to statelessness with his right hand on a copy of Atlas Shrugged. He just tends to align himself more with libertarians on average than Republicans or Democrats. Go figure.


Also, this is off topic, but I really appreciate this:

I love how he just blatantly lays it out how waterboarding is torture in front of all these Republican fuckwads and many of them just sit there, silent and bitter. He does the same thing in his book and directly accuses the government of being the sick fucks they are in terms of interrogation.

And people say things like "he's unelectable because he says crazy things like this", meanwhile he has a HUGE crowd of supporters at this point in time and is mentioned all over the internet. I think he's, at the very least apparently, the most honest candidate I've had in my lifetime and as unreasonable as it might be to say this when compared to the history of this country, I do not think he has any sort of flip flopping or bullshitting quality to him whatsoever. That particular trait is one of the reasons I support him exuberantly despite actually disagreeing with quite a few of his personal beliefs and opinions. I will take an honest to god superstitious person over a lying scumbag any day of the week.

[mechanismj]

Great video. Is stone cold truth.

Here's another that's stone cold truth...



Here's another that I find amusing...



You can see Rockefeller turn white as a ghost.

Of course, Rockefeller had this wonderful message in his memoirs...

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will.

If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

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Why would you think that??? These people hate our freedoms and want to take over the world! The only way to get rid of them is obviously more security, more torture, and more wars. It's the only way to fix these problems and if you don't agree you're a goddamn liberal and a pacifist!

[mechanismj]

Why would you think that??? These people hate our freedoms and want to take over the world! The only way to get rid of them is obviously more security, more torture, and more wars. It's the only way to fix these problems and if you don't agree you're a goddamn liberal and a pacifist!

I see what you did there.

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If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

damn that's weird

[mechanismj]

If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

damn that's weird

Ugh! The quote makes it look like I was the one that said it!

Is it weird? Really? Seems pretty spot on to me.

[Waterbagel]

in lighter news...:

[mechanismj]

in lighter news...:

Sir, that was beautiful and I thank you sincerely for that!