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Which tracks make you dismiss the Old Tunes or 35 track tape

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 10:20 am
by Gevel
Hello, new to this forum :) This place probably has enough best or worst topics, but I didn't find one specifically for this set of unreleased tracks, so I thought I'd get the general opinion. When I first got into BoC(thanks to David Firth, which I'm sure I'm not alone in), I discovered the Old Tunes set pretty quickly and listened to all of them. I don't know if it's because of becoming familiar with it so soon, but I've generally regarded the majority of stuff on these tapes to be just as good as all their official releases. Browsing a lot of comments whenever these tapes come up though on this forum though, I've noticed I seem to be in a minority. I've seen several people act as though only literally one or two tracks are worth it and the rest is complete garbage.

So I'm posting this for my own sanity, since I have my own hated tracks as well, to see exactly which tracks are so awful to everybody. I've got all three tapes and am going to give each a small listen and list which ones I'm unimpressed by. I can recall off hand thinking Vol 2 was generally much more different sounding and not as likable as Old Tunes and the 35 track tape, but we'll see... I'm leaving out stuff like Light Clean Hair since they obviously don't count btw.

A Few Old Tunes:
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P.C - Wow, I don't even remember this track :lol: Feel like I'm only just discovering it, shows how much an impression it left.
Trapped - I only discovered that this wasn't a gangster song a few months ago. I remember my first impression being surprised BoC was into rap music haha. I've known them for their non-lyrical stuff though, so I don't really like this one much. I like Midas Touch though...
The Way You Show - just nonsense really.
I Love U - same opinion as the track before it.


Old Tunes Vol. 2:

Nine-Rubber Wisdom - It's not too bad, it didn't need those vocals. I could see it going another direction and being much better.
David Came To Mahana'im - This could really take off on a dance floor where people dance mindlessly to whatever is playing. Both that and the fact it doesn't really go anywhere just make it hard to want to sit through the whole thing.
Sir Prancelot Brainfire - No comment really.. I'm impressed at how authentic they sound for making TV Themes though =p



35 Track Tape:
side a audiotrack 7 - feels like an interruption to a great flow of music until then.
side b audiotrack 05 - very awesome at first, but then it becomes exactly like the track above, where it just keeps going before you start to notice it's going to keep going like this.
side b audiotrack 19 - same recurring pattern, it's not really a catchy melody, it just keeps going and is a whole mess of sound that you want to end.


That's about it. Looking back I'm surprised at how good Vol. 2 is, thought I remembered that being the one with a considerable amount of bad ones. Guess I really haven't heard these again in a bit. All the rest of the tracks though, I can't imagine BoC without them. Some of them are some of the most excellent pieces of music I've heard, and I really mean that.

So everyone list for me, what tracks make you generally dismiss these "unreleased" releases? And feel free to practically list all tracks, just so long as any single one isn't to your liking. I want to see what exactly makes some of this stuff not too favorable to some people.[/b]

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 10:47 am
by Seeya_Later
Can I meantion a track I DO like?
She is P.

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 12:05 pm
by noby
To be honest I'm not fond of the old tracks tapes at all. There are very few tracks that imo are actually good.

Spectrum
Skimming Stones
Dave Addison
I Love U
Boqurant
5-9-78

Mukhinabaht
Kiteracer 2

Audiotrack 06
Audiotrack 11
Audiotrack 12
Audiotrack 19
Audiotrack 25
Audiotrack 32

That's it. There are maybe couple ok or decent tracks besides those, but imo mostly it's just crap.

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 5:29 pm
by ArbitersGround
^I think you forgot Sequoia. That's easily the best of Old tunes imo and one of my top 5 all time BoC favorites.

Also, the trapped Old Tunes remix is pretty bad, yeah. The Hell Interface remix of Trapped though is pretty damn good although very out of character for BoC.

Anyways, I don't really care for the tracks that are mainly just people talking. And I've also never really cared for Buckie High or Mansel to be honest.

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 6:14 pm
by Syni
Hi Scores, the Old Tunes version, is amazing and is one of the reasons I love Old Tunes.

Also, STAIRCASE WHIP.

But to be on topic, I'm not a huge fan of Mansel either, or Zander Two. But then again my Zander Two sounds just like another track with a different name because I have duplicates or something.

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 6:18 pm
by A Balloon
Listening to any of the old tunes when you're floatin on weed is an amazing experience. Me and my friend listened to all of them, and cried during some of the songs because they were so beautiful. Especially Sir Prancelot...

Then we listened to BoC Maxima...

Whitewater made me cry tears of joy.

Then we roamed the streets and went to Denney's and I ordered a Philly Cheese Steak. But that's another story.

What I'm saying, is all of the old tunes are such unique kinds of music, even for BoC. Everyone experiences it on a completely different level.

Besides has anyone ever really listened to the words being spoken in Blockbusters? its hilarious...

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 6:59 pm
by Smokes
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Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 11:43 pm
by Distant Nebulus
Not a fan of; "its A Whole 'nother year"., "The way you show" and "sir princelot brainfire".

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 12:09 am
by Kinski
old tunes tape with 'trapped' is best boc ever. shut up. 'trapped' is godly. it really shows how imaginative this band is. *shakes fist*

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 12:32 am
by noby
^I think you forgot Sequoia. That's easily the best of Old tunes imo and one of my top 5 all time BoC favorites.
Sorry, it doesn't really arouse me in any fashion :/

I also might mention some tracks that aren't really especially interesting, but not bad either:

Magic Teens
I Will Get It Tattooed
M9
Iraq Says (the quality is terrible, but the second part of the track is pretty interesting though it doesn't sound like BoC at all.)
Powerline Misfortune
Audiotrack 01
Audiotrack 17
Audiotrack 18

That's about it I think. The rest is just plain bad in my opinion. ALL this is opinion based, naturally. For some reason people seem to get a message from my posts everywhere that the things I say are some sort of objective facts that I try to impose upon everyone. Trust me, I'd never do anything like that seriously. If you enjoy them, I'm totally fine with that.

Anyway, these tapes are sort of mix-tapes after all. Collections of leftover tracks from the brothers' early releases. I don't think anyone would except all of the tracks to be killer grade-a stuff. It's just interesting to hear how their sound has developed and what were their roots. But to me, it isn't very compelling in any other way.

ps. Boqurant + 5-9-78 is really damn good combo. I absolutely love that transition between the tracks. Totally would like to hear these two reworked <3. That fan made music video on youtube is perfect for this, one of the most magical BoC tracks.

pps. I'm 90% sure the music track heard on Apparatus is an amiga tracker module. Probably from a game or some demo (as in demoscene). Anyone know the source?

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 2:05 am
by Waterbagel
WHY HAS NO ONE MENTIONED NORTHERN PLASTICS YET

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 2:15 am
by Gevel
Because this topic was originally meant to discuss what tracks make you dismiss the tapes,not hug them with joy =p

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 2:41 am
by Opothecary
noby wrote: I Will Get It Tattooed
Are you kidding??? Pure bliss!

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 2:46 am
by Julian Candy
David Came to Mahana'im, that song never sounded like the rest of their library to me.

Magic Teens too because it reminds me of Tycho too much.

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 2:52 am
by noby
Opothecary wrote: Are you kidding??? Pure bliss!
Yeah I like that track (in case you missed it ;)).

I guess I could elaborate a bit about the other tracks. Or well, I don't have much anything to say about them in general. I don't feel like going through every single one that I don't like since that would cover the vast majority of them. That's why I decided to list out the songs that I like, because they are in a minority for me in this case.

Rest of the songs, while interestinf in a sense, in my personal opinion are just unlistenable (or at least not interesting at all, and again that's just me). In general these songs are just experiments, to my ears at least. Nothing against experimentalism, quite the opposite in fact. I just realized how hard it is for me to explain exactly what the problem with these songs is, but I think understand what I mean :P

btw, I just noticed 'David Came to Mahana'im' has the same monologue that's heard in the background on Sixtyniner. Dunno if it's common knowledge and/or discussed before but just in case.

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 4:06 am
by Fireal420
everyone has a different taste in music, its a beautiful thing


with that said. it hurts me to see some of the songs mentioned, such as northern plastics, powerline misfortune, and i will get it tattooed. be mentioned

the old tunes tapes are all pretty outstanding if you ask me. in my opinion, old tunes vol.2 is pretty much perfect from beginning to end. a few old tunes and 35 random tracks do have some nonsense tracks, but overall i really enjoy the music.


to stick to the thread though, ill name some of the tracks i usually skip
house of albin adab
davie addison
the way you show
i love you
m9
wendy miller
paul russels piece
up the march bank
nova scotia robots

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:01 am
by Gevel
Nova Scotia Robots has an almost similar eery feeling as Skimming Stones to me, so it feels hard to like one and not like the other.

noby, I'm just curious since you're the most vocal one here so far about your opinion, what do you think of side b audiotrack 02? Something about that one has always made it one of my most appreciated tracks on these tapes. That one and side b audiotrack 11, which I see you at least like that one.

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:16 am
by A Balloon
M9 is annoying.

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:44 am
by Twoism-ist
i'm pretty sure that sir prancelot brainfire is just them playing a synth over preexisting themes taken from TV/vhs

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:50 am
by CorsairOnRepeat
Fireal420 wrote:everyone has a different taste in music, its a beautiful thing


with that said. it hurts me to see some of the songs mentioned, such as northern plastics, powerline misfortune, and i will get it tattooed. be mentioned

the old tunes tapes are all pretty outstanding if you ask me. in my opinion, old tunes vol.2 is pretty much perfect from beginning to end. a few old tunes and 35 random tracks do have some nonsense tracks, but overall i really enjoy the music.


to stick to the thread though, ill name some of the tracks i usually skip
house of albin adab
davie addison
the way you show
i love you
m9
wendy miller
paul russels piece
up the march bank
nova scotia robots

Davie Addison? AHHHHHHHH! Don't skip that! :)