THE PARADOX - BOC and what they call DUBSTEP

paul · Post by **paul** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:12 pm

key and peele offer their own fresh take on the subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kod1q39ddE

vballs · Post by **vballs** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:15 pm

kelp wrote:Because BoC sound just like : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23-grgPDdhw

Wow yes.. however could you tell them apart. :shock:

kelp · Post by **kelp** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:24 pm

vballs wrote:
kelp wrote:Because BoC sound just like : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23-grgPDdhw

Wow yes.. however could you tell them apart.

herxagernsurn · Post by **herxagernsurn** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:32 pm

Isn't there a bit of a distinction between "UK Dubstep" and well....all the rest of it? Seems like all the dubstep I hear from the UK is more diverse and less formulaic and then there is the forumulaic shit I hear all over the TV and even in adverts made by thte government here in the US:

http://venturebeat.com/2013/02/12/obama ... n-address/

...so vile.

I don't get into a lot of dubstep from either side of the pond as it were but like what I hear from Boxcutter, Meat Beat Manifesto, and I noticed Luke Vibert even through his hat in the dubstep ring with some of the tracks on We Hear You.

So yeah....another abused genre label I guess.

Melts · Post by **Melts** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:37 pm

kelp wrote:Because BoC sound just like : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23-grgPDdhw

This was what I meant about 2 dubsteps that dont resemble each other. BOC and ^ are sooooo different, and its precisely that wide a variance in dubstep. I'm bettin one can call skyliner dubstep and be safe, but I mean dubstep 1, not dubstep 2^.

Im stickin to that even if boc themselves say no, but I bet they say duh.

kelp · Post by **kelp** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:54 pm

I dunno man, dubstep was around '08 and '09 for me, i've lost interest now, i'd never describe any BoC stuff as dubstep. It's just electronica or electronic music, i wouldn't start calling it something different just because a new term was being bandied about nowadays

jakestott · Post by **jakestott** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:29 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5Mt2PLf9E

The only dubstep track i really really love.

iec · Post by **iec** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:56 pm

Melts wrote:iec and boq... I definitely agree, but heres what I remind myself:

If I am a professional percussion instructor and a kid comes in for a class and says "Teach me how to play dubstep on a kit!" I'd like to at least know where to start let alone know what the kid meant. You can put swing drums to cannibalcorpse and to the teacher, thats not DM its swing.

this issue, in this example is resolved by (sliently) recognizing the word dubstep means nothing, asking the kid who wants to learn for an example or a list of artists, and moving from there. it's been established that both of you could have entirely different definitions of "dubstep", be thinking of two entirely different sounding genres with different roots, and still each be somewhat correct in some context.

if someone came in and asked me how to play indie music, i'd also have no idea where to start. but that's because the word 'indie' as a music descriptor means everything and nothing. but mostly nothing. same with dubstep.

also wait is anyone even actually giving rolling stone the time of day? for serious?

rd1994 · Post by **rd1994** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:59 pm

didn't the Brothers say themselves that Genres...are just there for making record Shopping easier?
for example where I bought the previous boc Albums...the genre I found it at was "Techno/Ambient" well wtf? many People Claim they are entire oppsites? so hy smah them together on a shelf?

circleofthesun · Post by **circleofthesun** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:16 pm

Ach.
Doesn't this belong in This Random Sound?

Melts · Post by **Melts** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:34 pm

but see, you guys still imagining skrillex. Should be imagining a specific beat. Like - "four to the floor". Any genre can be 4 to floor. bass on 1234, snare on 2,4. Any genre can be dubstep because dubstep is bass 1 snare 3. See? This is where you lose me, that its "new" or mean nothing. no, bass1 snare3 is old and specific meaning. Boc can utilize either and sound boc. Its percussion people. The "sound" you cant shake as ALL dub, is just one style of dub. BOC can use bass1 snare 3 cant they? Then thats dub(142-147bpm). If the boc track goes bass1 bass2 bass3 bass 4, its not dub, it 4tofloor.

u Feel me?

kelp · Post by **kelp** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:57 pm

Nope, that just sounds like a very clinical unfeeling way of describing...well....anything. These words normally have more association than that, especially a particular scene, a set of influences and some sort of recognised style.

circleofthesun · Post by **circleofthesun** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:26 pm

*sigh*
Isn't dubstep, originally, essentially "Sincere" done a-la "Meets Rockers Uptown" with influences from dnb/jungle )what with the specific waveforms of bass, the influence from newer trends in hip hop and house (2step, juke, trap), as well the urban feeling)?
I mean, isn't Basefree more dubstep than any of the tracks mentioned in the OP?
Even if we could (we really could) debate what the hell a specific MICROGENRE of music exactly is, genres are really just there to make shopping easier.
Anyhow, summarise how much discussion of BoC is actually being done in this thread

sleepysilverdoor · Post by **sleepysilverdoor** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:55 pm

circleofthesun wrote:*sigh*
Isn't dubstep, originally, essentially "Sincere" done a-la "Meets Rockers Uptown" with influences from dnb/jungle )what with the specific waveforms of bass, the influence from newer trends in hip hop and house (2step, juke, trap), as well the urban feeling)?
I mean, isn't Basefree more dubstep than any of the tracks mentioned in the OP?
Even if we could (we really could) debate what the hell a specific MICROGENRE of music exactly is, genres are really just there to make shopping easier.
Anyhow, summarise how much discussion of BoC is actually being done in this thread

No Basefree is totally Atmospheric Hexagonal UK Garagecore.

circleofthesun · Post by **circleofthesun** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:07 pm

sleepysilverdoor wrote:
circleofthesun wrote:*sigh*
Isn't dubstep, originally, essentially "Sincere" done a-la "Meets Rockers Uptown" with influences from dnb/jungle )what with the specific waveforms of bass, the influence from newer trends in hip hop and house (2step, juke, trap), as well the urban feeling)?
I mean, isn't Basefree more dubstep than any of the tracks mentioned in the OP?
Even if we could (we really could) debate what the hell a specific MICROGENRE of music exactly is, genres are really just there to make shopping easier.
Anyhow, summarise how much discussion of BoC is actually being done in this thread

No Basefree is totally Atmospheric Hexagonal UK Garagecore.

Soooooo considering dub is highly atmospheric and 2step is a form of garage...
Basefree is dubstep :3

In_The_Annexe · Post by **In_The_Annexe** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:34 pm

Sun Drugs wrote:
In_The_Annexe wrote:
Helios wrote:At least provide a link to real dubstep!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZb_UxGUbd4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrXr-dXSDYE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg0mDyelSrA

These are some good tracks that the vast majority of ignorant tards would call "Dubstep".

It isn't dubstep, it's just electronic music.

no offense mate but those songs could lead people in the wrong direction, this is what id call dubstep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVpjPuzlvus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9pBI2GSJrY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-kGWoHc1EI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYU6t-NsWI4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZqJT2dyp5c

for those who dont know, or those who have only heard dubstep through media its approx 140 bpm.
Originally came from a mixture of dnb, jungle and more so garage and 2step hence the awesome shuffles. Genre blew the fuck up as America took hold of it, the forward thinking american producers have been pushed aside and the genre is in a horrible state as people think that the bro sound is good.
Its gone on to spawn a horrible brother in Trap.
It helps to learn about how hardcore turned to jungle then to dnb and how garage evolved to get a good understanding of the genre. sad how its down the drain
Most of the decent labels have moved on to more experimental techno which is great.

Certain boc tracks could be identified as dubstep, but they also fit more closely with the Autonomic sound tempo and vibe wise. But they've always used a lot of bass in their tracks, probably a bit ahead of its time. The production they were pulling out years is where people are getting to now with probably a more modern studio setup. IMO boc are pioneers in electronic production for this reason

http://www.club-autonomic.com/ - educate, the mixes are great, normally they have an influences section that quite often feature BOC and other 90's Warp and IDM artists. Any fans of boc will easily relate to the sound i think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWFN8iaMwK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyZvCF9Yz6g

no offense taken at all, you're 100 percent wrong.

In_The_Annexe · Post by **In_The_Annexe** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:36 pm

b0qurant wrote:I think this is one of two things:

1. A lack of vocabulary on the end of music journalists regarding electronic music (obviously there are some organizations that know how to talk about electronic music, but Rolling Stone? Eh ... ), thus leading to frustration on the educated-electronic-music-fan's side

2. Frustration with the cultural and intellectual implications of the word "dubstep"

thank you for being the only person to understand what I was bringing up.

sleepysilverdoor · Post by **sleepysilverdoor** » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:07 am

circleofthesun wrote:
sleepysilverdoor wrote:
circleofthesun wrote:*sigh*
Isn't dubstep, originally, essentially "Sincere" done a-la "Meets Rockers Uptown" with influences from dnb/jungle )what with the specific waveforms of bass, the influence from newer trends in hip hop and house (2step, juke, trap), as well the urban feeling)?
I mean, isn't Basefree more dubstep than any of the tracks mentioned in the OP?
Even if we could (we really could) debate what the hell a specific MICROGENRE of music exactly is, genres are really just there to make shopping easier.
Anyhow, summarise how much discussion of BoC is actually being done in this thread

No Basefree is totally Atmospheric Hexagonal UK Garagecore.

Soooooo considering dub is highly atmospheric and 2step is a form of garage...
Basefree is dubstep :3

I actually once posted a dubstep related comment on the Basefree youtube vid and got thumbs downed HARD. Oops.

In_The_Annexe · Post by **In_The_Annexe** » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:22 am

I am going to find the person who invented this stupid excuse for a genre. It's so degrading to artists that are actually good at electronic music.

Sun Drugs · Post by **Sun Drugs** » Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:14 am

some people make dubstep, a small portion of it is good. A huge chunk sucks major balls. you juss gotta live with it
its just a way to define a sound anywho. i think IDM is lame as, would much have rathered braindance to take off but it didnt.

boc has bass, dubstep has bass, unfortunately most people dont understand the difference haha