"Evidence for a Young Earth"

[number-six]

Incidentally i'm considering writing my interpretation of the narrative as a bit of personal fiction if anyone would care whatsoever. Not trying to ride BoC's wave, all my writing is non-profit and done for fun. TH is just such an incredible inspiration, and as we've established, so is religion; no matter how nonsensical and hopeless! (like humanity itself?)

[arvy]

your choice, one person already had made two very cool podcast about the album, which I recommend to everybody, you can count on fingers these,

http://www.boccast.com/

[Mexicola]

That person is our very own BrunchTime, aka Mikey H. Top fella too and well worth a listen.

[ryetronics]

I found MDG's reply with that link to be his attempt at a joke. The link talks about young earth theory and "time clocks" helping prove that theory. If you read the whole thread he posted it in, the OP was saying TCH now sounded higher pitched and faster than he/she remembered it.

[Valotonin]

Another post by MDG (if I recall correctly) was in reference to the solar system rising in temperature in relation to the sun and evidence of global warming on other planetary bodies although I am not sure what to make of it. In an interview with Vice, Kevin shields on the subject of ecologically friendly gliders etc etc said something along the lines of 'The whole solar system is heating up'. Interesting as there are already subtle relations between boards and MBV.

[re-phaelam-ed]

this is starting to feel troll-eriffic

[number-six]

this is starting to feel troll-eriffic

Would be a shame if so.. I was rather enjoying it.

[apriorion]

I'm not interested in trying to create a myth or look into something where there is nothing, but I honestly believe that this may have been a source of inspiration in some way to their future vision.

I suppose as youth they might have been mislead into believing things (From One Source All Things Depend) that they no longer believe as adults (Nothing Is Real).

I agree with this post: this is the impression I've often had about their work. The tone and themes of a lot of their music actually reminds me of themes in Reznor's music, minus the cheesy lyrics (thank God). They're more subtle about it, but sometimes their interest in religion and its warping effects on impressionable minds seems personal.

[number-six]

I'm not interested in trying to create a myth or look into something where there is nothing, but I honestly believe that this may have been a source of inspiration in some way to their future vision.

I suppose as youth they might have been mislead into believing things (From One Source All Things Depend) that they no longer believe as adults (Nothing Is Real).

I agree with this post: this is the impression I've often had about their work. The tone and themes of a lot of their music actually reminds me of themes in Reznor's music, minus the cheesy lyrics (thank God). They're more subtle about it, but sometimes their interest in religion and its warping effects on impressionable minds seems personal.

I agree with all of this too but I think it's worthy to mention something that's been winding me up a little lately. It seems to be thrown around a lot what effect their nihilism has had on TH and their new approach, but I think people might be misinterpreting "we've become more nihilitic" as "we are hardline nihilists" (which is both hilarious AND evokes the Big Lebowski). They clearly have had enough of organised religion, but with them making this nihilism comment i've seen a lot of people take spirituality out of the equation completely when considering BoC's pallette. Whilst clear atheists, I think their philosophies will probably have some very interesting spiritual flourishes.

One thing that sticks out for me is Nothing is Real stating "when you knew that what i'd need is willingness and comfort there". Willingness and comfort where? I think that could be interpreted in numerous ways, and could just as easily imply willingness and comfort in life as in any other plane. Considering BoC seem to be heavily in tune with something that's either seperate from or a completely different form of reality (as we percieve it), I think that their visions of a nihilist-esque nothing are actually more vivid than may be imagined. I'm sure they're aware of Lawrence Krauss and his scientific work on the "something from absolutely nothing" approach. Krauss once described nothing as being an illusion, potentially full of quantum somethings. When nothing can become something and something can be embedded in nothing on into infinity, we get a clear (and almost palindromic) dichotomy that seems to mirror not only Tomorrow's Harvest but the boy's thinking in general.

My original point before going off on another tangent, however, was simply to warn not to let BoC's "nihilism" influence your thinking on their philosophies too much. They may incorporate nihilistic thinking into their themes, but if this was the only way of thinking they had drawn from then the album wouldn't be the layered masterpiece that it is.

[apriorion]

I agree with this post: this is the impression I've often had about their work. The tone and themes of a lot of their music actually reminds me of themes in Reznor's music, minus the cheesy lyrics (thank God). They're more subtle about it, but sometimes their interest in religion and its warping effects on impressionable minds seems personal.

I agree with all of this too but I think it's worthy to mention something that's been winding me up a little lately. It seems to be thrown around a lot what effect their nihilism has had on TH and their new approach, but I think people might be misinterpreting "we've become more nihilitic" as "we are hardline nihilists" (which is both hilarious AND evokes the Big Lebowski). They clearly have had enough of organised religion, but with them making this nihilism comment i've seen a lot of people take spirituality out of the equation completely when considering BoC's pallette. Whilst clear atheists, I think their philosophies will probably have some very interesting spiritual flourishes.

One thing that sticks out for me is Nothing is Real stating "when you knew that what i'd need is willingness and comfort there". Willingness and comfort where? I think that could be interpreted in numerous ways, and could just as easily imply willingness and comfort in life as in any other plane. Considering BoC seem to be heavily in tune with something that's either seperate from or a completely different form of reality (as we percieve it), I think that their visions of a nihilist-esque nothing are actually more vivid than may be imagined. I'm sure they're aware of Lawrence Krauss and his scientific work on the "something from absolutely nothing" approach. Krauss once described nothing as being an illusion, potentially full of quantum somethings. When nothing can become something and something can be embedded in nothing on into infinity, we get a clear (and almost palindromic) dichotomy that seems to mirror not only Tomorrow's Harvest but the boy's thinking in general.

My original point before going off on another tangent, however, was simply to warn not to let BoC's "nihilism" influence your thinking on their philosophies too much. They may incorporate nihilistic thinking into their themes, but if this was the only way of thinking they had drawn from then the album wouldn't be the layered masterpiece that it is.

Oh, for sure. Don't get me wrong, either: I don't take a simple black-and-white view of what they mean by 'nihilism'. In fact, I recall that in one of their early interviews, one of them said something like "We're referring to the underlying reality that you get when peel back the curtain" when they were talking about numbers and math. That quasi-pythagorean view resonates very strongly with me, as I am an ontological and epistemological platonist. I've wondered if they've changed their minds about this metaphysical worldview (assuming I was right in my interpretation of that comment, of course). I certainly wouldn't hold it against them if they did, but I appreciate that they even entertain these ideas in the first place.

[number-six]

Oh, for sure. Don't get me wrong, either: I don't take a simple black-and-white view of what they mean by 'nihilism'. In fact, I recall that in one of their early interviews, one of them said something like "We're referring to the underlying reality that you get when peel back the curtain" when they were talking about numbers and math. That quasi-pythagorean view resonates very strongly with me, as I am an ontological and epistemological platonist. I've wondered if they've changed their minds about this metaphysical worldview (assuming I was right in my interpretation of that comment, of course). I certainly wouldn't hold it against them if they did, but I appreciate that they even entertain these ideas in the first place.

Brilliant reply. It's why they're the most important musical artists for a long time in my opinion. I've not heard that peeling back the curtain quote, but it's exactly how I always saw them.

Orange!

[orphan demo]

I agree with this post: this is the impression I've often had about their work. The tone and themes of a lot of their music actually reminds me of themes in Reznor's music, minus the cheesy lyrics (thank God). They're more subtle about it, but sometimes their interest in religion and its warping effects on impressionable minds seems personal.

I agree about Trent and I actually feel Hesitation Marks resonates with TH. But you're going pretty far imagining their thoughts. I would assume they've found a lot of influence in religious works regardless of their opinions on organized religion.

[number-six]

I agree with this post: this is the impression I've often had about their work. The tone and themes of a lot of their music actually reminds me of themes in Reznor's music, minus the cheesy lyrics (thank God). They're more subtle about it, but sometimes their interest in religion and its warping effects on impressionable minds seems personal.

I agree about Trent and I actually feel Hesitation Marks resonates with TH. But you're going pretty far imagining their thoughts. I would assume they've found a lot of influence in religious works regardless of their opinions on organized religion.

The last sentence of this is basically the spine of this thread I think.

[apriorion]

Brilliant reply. It's why they're the most important musical artists for a long time in my opinion. I've not heard that peeling back the curtain quote, but it's exactly how I always saw them.

Orange!

Same here. You know, it's rather astonishing to me that more musicians don't have this interest in pythagoreanism; it's right up their alley, seems to me.

I'm going to try to dig up that quote--it wasn't worded exactly that way, but that was the gist of it. It might take me a while, but I'll come back here with that remark once I find it.

[apriorion]

Found it! It's from the 2002 interview "The Most Mysterious & Revered Men in Electronica" by John Mulvey:
What's the significance of hexagons to you?
"Marcus: "The hexagon theme represents that whole idea of being able to see reality for what it is, the raw maths or patterns that make everything. We've always been interested in science and maths. Sometimes music or art or drugs can pull back the curtain for you and reveal the Wizard of Oz, so to speak, busy pushing the levers and pressing buttons. That's what maths is, the wizard. It sounds like nonsense but I'm sure a lot of people know what I'm talking about."

Very pythagorean.

[orphan demo]

I agree about Trent and I actually feel Hesitation Marks resonates with TH. But you're going pretty far imagining their thoughts. I would assume they've found a lot of influence in religious works regardless of their opinions on organized religion.

The last sentence of this is basically the spine of this thread I think.

Well I should have noted that my reply was mostly urged by the comments on From One Source and Nothing is Real. It's definitely possible From One Source is political, but I think when some people are trying to imagine what the brothers' have in mind they forget how large their imaginations are.
They were explicit about TH having political undertones but I still think those undertones themselves are mixed up with topics deeper than politics.