Warp20 Box Set ft. completely unheard BoC!

Skytree · Post by **Skytree** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:25 pm

oscillik wrote:let's not get too excited over this possible new "Spir.." track

remember, this is a photo of one of the (Infinite) records, which are locked-groove sets. there'll be maybe 4 or 8 bars worth of material on each locked groove (at a guess)

True...if it's at the end, the loop could be even shorter. Sits well with the image I posted, though. (:

Guido · Post by **Guido** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:05 am

10", two sides, that means 1:15 min for 33rpm or close to 1 minute for 45rpm per track per side.

oscillik · Post by **oscillik** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:39 am

Guido wrote:10", two sides, that means 1:15 min for 33rpm or close to 1 minute for 45rpm per track per side.

hopefully we won't have too much longer to wait

(parenthesis) · Post by **(parenthesis)** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:07 am

bleak. wrote:
Guido wrote:Sorry I can't find it, where do you see this "Spir" track?

I swear there is a BOC god that just loves fucking with us. I mean it would just HAVE to be BOC with the track name cut out. not any other band.

cmx · Post by **cmx** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:45 am

maybe it just says "Spirupyoursfanboys"

Skytree · Post by **Skytree** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:46 pm

hahahaahaha...golden.

sevenELIXIR · Post by **sevenELIXIR** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:54 pm

what do you mean by "locked-groove set?" are these just loops then??

The Friendly Stranger · Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:56 pm

Skytree wrote:* crosses fingers *

I would put money on this.

Treefingers · Post by **Treefingers** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:59 pm

sevenELIXIR wrote:what do you mean by "locked-groove set?" are these just loops then??

Yep. I believe it's meant primarily for DJs.

oscillik · Post by **oscillik** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:35 pm

sevenELIXIR wrote:what do you mean by "locked-groove set?" are these just loops then??

locked-grooves are literally a groove on the record that has no end and no beginning, hence why they've called these two records (Infinite)

they're there for DJs to mix with into their sets, although to be honest i doubt any working DJ would even dare take these records out on the road. since they are meant for DJ use, that's why i assumed that there'd be maybe 4 or 8 bars of music to each locked-groove. but since i don't own any locked groove records, i wouldn't know.

usually you encounter a locked-groove when your stylus has skipped, and it's created one on your record...of course this isn't really a desired effect! you can get some records that have a locked-groove as the run-out groove. i believe the Geogaddi promo has a locked-groove on it.

Joebot Kill · Post by **Joebot Kill** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:46 pm

well i was pissed when i found out its being delayed a week. but that is certainly an interesting little nugget. GODDAMNIT, I CANT WAIT FOR THIS!

Skytree · Post by **Skytree** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:02 pm

The Friendly Stranger wrote:
Skytree wrote:* crosses fingers *

I would put money on this.

Glad you think so...it'd just be the perfect title for an infinitely looping piece. Plus, it's a kids toy from the 60's that mixes geometry with art...can't go wrong. Wish I still had mine. The name is a registered trademark though, so not sure if that affects the legality of using it as a track title.

sevenELIXIR wrote:what do you mean by "locked-groove set?" are these just loops then??

Great article on locked-grooves and their history here.

novayshun · Post by **novayshun** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:38 pm

Skytree wrote:
oscillik wrote:let's not get too excited over this possible new "Spir.." track

remember, this is a photo of one of the (Infinite) records, which are locked-groove sets. there'll be maybe 4 or 8 bars worth of material on each locked groove (at a guess)
True...if it's at the end, the loop could be even shorter. Sits well with the image I posted, though. (:

the length of a locked groove is the same length no matter how far from the centre. it's rotating at a fixed speed. the only thing that will decide the duration is the speed at which it should be played.

The Friendly Stranger · Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:49 pm

Skytree wrote:
The Friendly Stranger wrote:
Skytree wrote:* crosses fingers *

I would put money on this.
Glad you think so...it'd just be the perfect title for an infinitely looping piece. Plus, it's a kids toy from the 60's that mixes geometry with art...can't go wrong. Wish I still had mine. The name is a registered trademark though, so not sure if that affects the legality of using it as a track title.

It's only a track title, I can't see any legal issues. I can see it being a geogaddi outtake, dropped as it didn't sit with the theme of the album. Spirograph rewls. One of the better toys from my chilhood

oscillik · Post by **oscillik** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:54 pm

The Friendly Stranger wrote:
Skytree wrote:
The Friendly Stranger wrote: I would put money on this.
Glad you think so...it'd just be the perfect title for an infinitely looping piece. Plus, it's a kids toy from the 60's that mixes geometry with art...can't go wrong. Wish I still had mine. The name is a registered trademark though, so not sure if that affects the legality of using it as a track title.
It's only a track title, I can't see any legal issues. I can see it being a geogaddi outtake, dropped as it didn't sit with the theme of the album. Spirograph rewls. One of the better toys from my chilhood

i've got a feeling that it might actually be a little teaser for the "new album(s)" that mdg has been mentioning.

The Friendly Stranger · Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:29 pm

oscillik wrote:
The Friendly Stranger wrote:
Skytree wrote: Glad you think so...it'd just be the perfect title for an infinitely looping piece. Plus, it's a kids toy from the 60's that mixes geometry with art...can't go wrong. Wish I still had mine. The name is a registered trademark though, so not sure if that affects the legality of using it as a track title.
It's only a track title, I can't see any legal issues. I can see it being a geogaddi outtake, dropped as it didn't sit with the theme of the album. Spirograph rewls. One of the better toys from my chilhood
i've got a feeling that it might actually be a little teaser for the "new album(s)" that mdg has been mentioning.

hmmm maybe. I can't see them going back to the childhood nostalgia route too obviously though to be honest. Anyone's guess really.

oscillik · Post by **oscillik** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:37 pm

novayshun wrote:
Skytree wrote:
oscillik wrote:let's not get too excited over this possible new "Spir.." track

remember, this is a photo of one of the (Infinite) records, which are locked-groove sets. there'll be maybe 4 or 8 bars worth of material on each locked groove (at a guess)
True...if it's at the end, the loop could be even shorter. Sits well with the image I posted, though. (:
the length of a locked groove is the same length no matter how far from the centre. it's rotating at a fixed speed. the only thing that will decide the duration is the speed at which it should be played.

surely that's not true?

a locked groove at the beginning of a record will be longer than a locked groove near the end of the record. locked grooves that are the same length for the entire record would defy the laws of physics, surely?

Skytree · Post by **Skytree** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:06 pm

oscillik wrote:
novayshun wrote:
Skytree wrote: True...if it's at the end, the loop could be even shorter. Sits well with the image I posted, though. (:
the length of a locked groove is the same length no matter how far from the centre. it's rotating at a fixed speed. the only thing that will decide the duration is the speed at which it should be played.
surely that's not true?

a locked groove at the beginning of a record will be longer than a locked groove near the end of the record. locked grooves that are the same length for the entire record would defy the laws of physics, surely?

Actually, Novayshun's correct. Imagine bits of marking tape placed in a line, one on each loop, radiating from the center of the LP. Regardless of the overall radius of each loop, the bits of marking tape will all make a full rotation in unison. So, the innermost loop, despite being smaller in radius, will be making one revolution in the same time as the larger, outermost loop.

What would defy physics is if all were making different revolutions at different times...the wax would fly apart, I'm afraid. (:

So, thanks for the correction Novayshun! It was fun to think about. Oscillik and I (I think) were stuck in circumfrence mode.

oscillik · Post by **oscillik** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:33 pm

Skytree wrote:Actually, Novayshun's correct. Imagine bits of marking tape placed in a line, one on each loop, radiating from the center of the LP. Regardless of the overall radius of each loop, the bits of marking tape will all make a full rotation in unison. So, the innermost loop, despite being smaller in radius, will be making one revolution in the same time as the larger, outermost loop.

What would defy physics is if all were making different revolutions at different times...the wax would fly apart, I'm afraid. (:

So, thanks for the correction Novayshun! It was fun to think about. Oscillik and I (I think) were stuck in circumfrence mode.

ahhh rightio, thanks Novayshun and Skytree for the clarification

Magic Brenda · Post by **Magic Brenda** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:43 pm

It is a very lovely looking thing, isn't it though?